Need expert pied genetic advice

SmoothScales is right, without pictures, we really can't give you a definitive answer. SmoothScales has also given you a great picture and link to another thread showing the distorted pattern and belly of a low and no white Pied that Deborah is talking about. There is even another thread in this section of the forum that gives you a very good example of a low white Pied (http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...r-Ringer-Help!) that the OP wondered if it was a ringer or a Pied. I have not produced any Coral Glow or Banana Pieds, but the ones that I have seen, both in person and pictures of, have the distorted pattern and the clear marking of the saddles as they come down to the belly. If you could post some pictures, it would be much easier to help you out.

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Originally Posted by JNeedham

I sort of expected a cut and dry answer which I don't think is available. ;-)

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Because you have not posted a picture yet. Post a picture and you will get an answer. (view from the top and FULL belly)

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-Post-Pictures

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Originally Posted by grcforce327

All pied are "visual",unless showing them to a blind person. If you don't see a pied,it's not a pied. The terms are "Pied" or "het Pied". Don't know who started this filler word "visual cr&p",but it definitely shows how many people are "follow the leader" "Sheeple".;)

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Originally Posted by Slowcountry Balls

Really? The term "Pied" isn't the official term. It is a short hand started by someone that others picked up and followed. The fact that we in the hobby are lazy and don't keep everything accurate leads to all these terms. The simplest thing is to go with homozyguys Piebald and heterozyguys Piebald. That would be accurate and clear every time. Since the hobby decided to shorten phenotype (or observable visual expression) of homozyguys recessive genes to just the gene name, it has been confusing to people who are just learning about genetics. On top of that, Piebald has been shortened down to Pied. The hobby makes it even worse when it comes to incomplete dominate genes by calling the heterozyguys phenotype (visual expression) of a gene the gene (think how a heterozygus Mojave is called a Mojave) and the homozygus phenotype (visual expression) of the same gene the "Super" form (again, sticking with the Mojave gene, the homozyguys phenotype is called the Super Mojave rather than the homozygus Mojave). Again, if we labeled them by the genetic terms, it would always be heterozygus or homozygus of a gene, regardless of whether it is a dominate, recessive, or incomplete dominate gene. So technically, the gene is Piebald and the non-visual expression of the Piebald gene is the heterozygus Piebald, while the visual expression of the Piebald gene is the homozygus Piebald, which some one labeled Pied and we in the industry have followed that terminology.

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lol checkmate!

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very well put Slowcountry Balls.

As others have said, white isn't the only trait of pieds.

I guess many people don't know or don't realize that pied is also a pattern gene. Even a 0% white pied will still look like a pied. No mistaking it from a normal (or het) pied.