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  • 11-18-2015, 06:30 PM
    bcr229
    When they are all jammed in the one hide together they are not cuddling or hugging, they are competing for the best spot in the enclosure, which is under the one hide you have. Ball pythons don't like to be out and about, in the wild they spend most of their time under ground in termite mounds.

    As was pointed out, if money is the problem you can set up a three-tub rack for a lower cost than getting two more tanks + the accessories required for them.
  • 11-18-2015, 06:33 PM
    Streller
    Have you ever heard of the general rule that a snake (in an enclosure like that), should have two hides; one for the hot and one for the cold end?

    It's going to be difficult when they get bigger and they are wanting a place to hide; by themselves.

    Ball pythons don't chase their prey, they will wait it out in their hide, three ball pythons aren't going to wait in the same spot to ambush prey, are they?

    Also, are you measuring the temperature and humidity - and is that thing even on a thermostat?
  • 11-18-2015, 07:04 PM
    cj2007
    Re: Three snakes in one enclosure any thoughts?
    The humidity and temp is on the dot no problems with that and I take them out when I feed them the go into a large box where I feed them that's how they know it's feeding time and I do it on a schedule.

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  • 11-18-2015, 07:04 PM
    ChelseaV
    Re: Three snakes in one enclosure any thoughts?
    Going to have to agree with what has already been stated, it's best to house them each seperately to avoid any issues down the road.
  • 11-18-2015, 07:06 PM
    cj2007
    Re: Three snakes in one enclosure any thoughts?
    My plan is not to keep them in there till when they are adult I want to get a rack system up for all my snakes and just keep my very first snake in the tank

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  • 11-18-2015, 07:30 PM
    distaff
    Sincere question cj2007: if you don't care, why did you even ask?
  • 11-18-2015, 08:13 PM
    SmoothScales
    Re: Three snakes in one enclosure any thoughts?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cj2007 View Post
    I have looked over eveyones comments and I don't see any stress for any of my ball pythons they all go in the single hide together and they all love to come out and play daily so I believe that what I am doing is fine I find that being in a tub without being picked up and No social interaction daily are the aggresive ones not to say that it can cause some stress but with me they love to play they all eat like champs and nothing to say they are stressed at all thanks everyone for the feedback

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    You obviously DID Not 'look over everyone's comments' because you would've read

    "2) Snakes are solitary animals.* They don’t live, eat, sleep, or hunt in groups. When you see two snakes curled up in the same hide, they are not “cuddling because they like each other,” they are actually competing for the best spot in the enclosure. This constant state of competition causes a great deal of stress in your snake."
  • 11-18-2015, 09:07 PM
    gaitedappy
    Re: Three snakes in one enclosure any thoughts?
    First of all I'm confused as of why you would join this site or ask for advice if you clearly don't care what knowledge the people who are veterans in the hobby have to offer you. What can be inferred is that you bought your snakes on impulse, and were non concerned enough with the well being of the animals to do any real research. I don't care how healthy you think your animals are or how spot on you think your husbandry is, you simply need certain things for the ball pythons to continue to thrive.

    Your basic husbandry just isn't met to begin with, ONE snake needs two hides, a bowl it can soak in should the mood strike, and as little open space as possible to feel secure. Those needs have not been met from the picture you posted. On top of all of that constant heat and humidity monitoring is a MUST to keep them healthy.

    Ball pythons (along with most snake species) just are not social in any way, and do not, in general, thrive in enclosures with multiple animals. The sad fact is that even if you do not see the signs of stress now with how you have things set up, they will start to appear. Their huddling together under the hide is not cuddling, it is simply competing for a resource, that a competition that will only get more violent as they age. As far as removing them to a separate enclosure to feed, that is the only smart thing you have done in this situation, assuming you don't feed them all at once.

    They tolerate you handling them, because once again, they are not social animals. I understand you wanting to anthropomorphize your pets, but you need to take a metaphorical step back so that you can do what is best for the animals.
    The best thing you can do is take the advice you asked for and use it to get your husbandry correct. Add hides and ways to monitor humidity and temperature to the existing tank, and properly set up tubs for the other two snakes.

    I sincerely hope you will take the advice you got on this thread, of course if you do not that is your choice. All I want to know if you choose to ignore the advice you have gotten, is why you chose to waste everyone's time.
  • 11-18-2015, 09:28 PM
    cj2007
    Re: Three snakes in one enclosure any thoughts?
    I said in my previous posts that I am going to get more hiding and a bowl set up but it seems as though all of you are making mountains out of mole hills. I have my opinion and you have yours. As I said in my other posts as well I do not want to keep them all in there I want to move them into a rack stand. But I'm sure you didn't read that part. And believe me I do care about everything for these animals and I wouldn't do anything to harm them. And you are wrong that they are not social my snakes love to be out and chill with me when I get home. And they hate to go back in because they love being held.So just put an end to all things shaming and degrading of a person's way of doing it, I am making changes when I can, to make them a little happier in my snakes home.

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  • 11-18-2015, 09:39 PM
    gaitedappy
    Re: Three snakes in one enclosure any thoughts?
    In sorry if you feel attacked, but the point is, they need their own enclosures sooner rather than later. Yes we have read that you want to set up a rack system, but the point is they are together now. I seriously doubt you understand what we mean by the term social. From an animal behavior standpoint animals can be classified by their level of socialness from not at all to highly social. Snakes simply are not social, and that is just the fact. They are, however curious and will explore given the chance. Not wanting to return to their cage after extended periods of handling usually is an indicator that they are not comfortable in that enclosure, in this case probably because of being housed with other snakes.

    Nobody said you don't care for your pets, just that your husbandry should be changed sooner rather than later for their own well being.
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