Killing the Mouse

I just whack the rats when they're the appropriate size, and freeze any that don't have to be fed right away.

killed or frozen thawed but not live:
https://ball-pythons.net/careimages/ballchew2.jpg

that hurts! i only wonder how long it lived before dieing.

Uh oh, don't let Adam see that post. :o ;)

I'll try and save this from becoming another debate.
That snake was chewed up like that from a careless owner leaving a live rodent in the tank for who knows how long. The snake didn't want to eat it, and the rodent had nothing to eat, so the snake became food. Sure, if you throw a rodent in a cage and leave it for days and days with no food, that can happen. But that doesn't mean live feeding is always going to turn out with a dead or injured snake. With common sense, feeding live can be safer than many think.

The End. :)

Oh, and this was talked about extensively at another topic recently. Check it out.

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Originally Posted by Deven

no but i might be ab;e to get her to pull my figner...

anyway, so for gasing is there a reall world applicaiton for using vinager and baking soda? it's a heck of a lot cheaper but has anyone really tried it? it's got to be messy.

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I have done the baking soda and vinegar method. but not for my snakes, it was for gassing rodents that needed to be put down humanely for whatever reason when I had my rattery. It can be a pain in the neck because you have to get your baking soda to vinegar ratio right, and you dont want to get it on the rodent... however, I never payed attention to whether they smelled like vinegar because I never needed to. Might be worth a try tho~ as long as it dont have that vinegar smell I would think the snake would still take it just fine.

F/T or whacked when necessitated. If I had to deal with prepping significant numbers I'd go the gas chamber route as well - especially since some of the snakes eat sizes that don't go down easily.

How much gas would it take to kill a litter of pinkie mice ?

Not much... :) I took a small chunk of dry ice, about the size of a quarter, put it in a cup and filled the cup with water. I put the cup in a big cooler with a very large adult rat, and he was gone in about 5 minutes. I used this same piece of ice to kill the second, same size rat, in the same cooler. The ice really hadn't melted any, and I still had a 12"x12" block left of the stuff... Kind of a waste of money for me...

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

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Originally Posted by Deven

so the best way so far i see is gasing them to sleep and and then gasing them more until they are dead. i think that just gasing to sleep them feeding would still release cortizol (sp).

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Deven, cortisol is a glucocorticoid only found in primates. Rodents do not produce it. Gas away!

-adam

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AHAHa And even if it was released, wouldn't CONSTRICTION be stressful enough and do the same thing, just like what has been happening in the wild for millions of years????

I swear some people don't fully think this stuff through, haha...

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Originally Posted by Brandon.O

How much gas would it take to kill a litter of pinkie mice ?

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You cannot gas pinkies. Anything less than 2 weeks old is hypoxia resistant. Just put pink mice straight into the freezer.

thats an idea. dry ice. they sell it here in volume with either chuncks or pellets. now wonder the frogs freaked out when i used it in their waterfall. just kidding. it's such a heavy gas, if you use larger sweater boxes that had a small hole at the top for the O to leave, you could inoculate quite a few, like maybe a few dozen with just a peice the size of a ravioli.