Finally...

Hi Echo! Can I just clarify something here, since I keep seeing it pop up in this thread?

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Now she has to be HET something

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This is meant with no disrespect, no drama, and no negativity. :) I just want to get a baseline of your understanding of genetics.

Do you understand what "Het" means?

If you do not, "het" is a term that refers to an animal (in this case we are talking about Bally Pythons) which carries one copy of a gene inside its genetic code, but does not display any part of that gene, because two copies are required in order to make that gene show up. This is called a "Recessive" gene. The recessive gene you are talking about is Piebald, also called Pied.

So, it sounds like you want to breed some Pied babies! :)

In order to breed baby animals that display the Piebald gene, you will need to breed a boy and a girl that each carry a copy of the Piebald gene. If you have a visual Piebald (one that looks like a Pied), that snake has two copies of the gene, and will definitely pass one copy of the gene to each baby it helps make. Now, here is where it gets tricky.

If you have a snake that does not visually display the Pied gene, then you need to know about the genetics of PARENTS the snake in question. Was one if the snake's parents a visual Piebald? If so, you will have a snake that is Het for Piebald - if you breed it, it will give 50% of the babies one copy of the Pied gene, and 50% of the babies no copies of the Pied gene.

If you DO NOT know the genetics of the PARENTS of the snake in question, then you have no way of knowing whether the snake carries any hidden (het) genes, really. It is true, that some het genes will produce "markers", giving clues about which animals in a batch that is KNOWN to have passed on hidden gene, but markers ARE NOT 100% guarantees.

In this case, you are looking at the snake's tail - the belly is white, but the tail has markings on it. This could be a number of things. IF one of the parents of this snake was a visual Pied, and you KNOW that, then it could be an indicator that the snake carries a hidden Pied gene. If you DO NOT know for sure that one of the parents was a visual Pied, then it is actually a bit of a stretch to guess that the gene is there, based on the tail - MANY Normals display exactly the kind of belly/tail you are describing. So if you are not 100% sure of the genetics of the parents of your snake, it is better to assume that the snake is not carrying ANY hidden genes. A snake that does not visually display recessive genes, with unknown parentage, is probably a Normal.

IF you are 100% certain that your snake is Het for Piebald, the only way you can produce visual Piebald babies is to breed it to another snake that you are also 100% sure carries the Piebald gene. Remember the example above: Het for Piebald - if you breed it, it will give 50% of the babies one copy of the Pied gene, and 50% of the babies no copies of the Pied gene. That means, in order to get a visual Pied, you need another snake to pass on one copy of the gene to some of the babies, in order to get two copies into one snake.

Hope this helps clarify everything for you! :) If you decide to move on with your snakery and breeding plans, I wish you the best of luck, and hope you are prepared to deal with the rigors involved!

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

Now she has to be HET something.. And that's the type talk I don't like I care for ball pythons just as much as the next person so how would you feel if someone told you how to raise your kids, my BABIES(ball pythons) is the only type animal that I break bank to maintain just like a person with a BABY so I hear what yall SAY but until you live in my shoes TRY NOT to bring personal thoughts if a person is doing something wrong and also WE DO NOT LIVE IN THE SAME AREA/STATE so temps/humidity matter and I'm working on that...

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Dude.......... please quit with all this nonsense already.
#1 She is NOT het anything unless you know DIRECTLY from the breeders mouth what the original pairing was. To prove her to be het you will need to buy a male of EVERY recessive gene, then you will need to breed one male to her two to three seasons and if after 3 years she doesn't prove anything with that male then you will need to try the next, and so on. You are talking a couple hundred 100% babies from the fathers and possibly NOTHING from her. By time you get all the males through her we will all be dead and it wont matter anymore.

#2 You are posting on a public forum, it doesn't really matter what you do or do not care for people to post.

#3 You wouldn't fit in my shoes. Temp and humidity requirements are the same no matter what state or planet you live on. Its your choice if you want your snakes to live or thrive.

I get all what I'm saying from the company that sold me my newbie pastel 100% pied sooooo if I'm not doing what you people are telling means I'm doing this my way like they were still in the wild in AFRICA where non of yall, maybe a select FEW have EVER been I don't like the whole RACK system method, it works but I don't like putting my babies in jail(racks), there are NO rack systems in the WILD..!![emoji6]


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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

Now she has to be HET something.. And that's the type talk I don't like I care for ball pythons just as much as the next person so how would you feel if someone told you how to raise your kids, my BABIES(ball pythons) is the only type animal that I break bank to maintain just like a person with a BABY so I hear what yall SAY but until you live in my shoes TRY NOT to bring personal thoughts if a person is doing something wrong and also WE DO NOT LIVE IN THE SAME AREA/STATE so temps/humidity matter and I'm working on that...

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I'm not going to comment on her having almost no chance of being het for anything, as that's already been covered.... A lot.

As far as the temp/humidity goes, I guarantee you there are people on this forum who live in the same region as you. There are people on here from all over the US and the world, and whether they're in Alaska, Florida, or Turkey they all have to provide the same temp and humidity for their snakes. You say you're working on temps/humidity, but that's not really a fair assessment. When people say they're working on that, it usually means they're taking a day or two to get everything where it needs to be; in your case it's been months.

When it comes to 'breaking the bank' for your pets, that's not something someone gets a gold star for. It's just what you're supposed to do when you have pets. I've eaten nothing but pasta for months so I could pay both vet bills and rent before, and that goes for getting the caging and equipment to give them the proper temps/humidity/food too. If a proper habitat is something you can't afford, then it doesn't make you a bad person, but it does mean you can't afford a pet.

When it comes to how I might feel if someone told me how to raise my 'babies': I'd take their advice. Taking the advice of people who know more than me about my animals has not only helped me become quite knowledgeable about them, but it's a big part of why I currently have several reptiles and amphibians sitting at literally twice their expected lifespan. If someone tells you your kid should be wearing a blue shirt instead of an orange one, that's pointless and you'd have every right to be angry. If someone tells you your kid is playing on train-tracks and you need to go get them out of there, then you should take that advice and be grateful for it. You're not getting 'shirt advice' here, you're getting 'train-track' advice.

EDIT: There are not many re-purposed TV stands inside African termite mounds.

Again?

No money for proper housing.
No idea what decent husbandry even looks like.
No ability to understand why he's wrong.
No thought to how he shouldn't have bought another snake when he can't care for the ones he has.
No understanding of genetics.
No way to incubate any eggs if any ever get produced.
No place to keep any babies.

Really feel bad for the snakes.

Hmmmmmm ok, understood now different states and regions have different temps/humidity levels so the guy I got pastel from lives in NC closer to the equator so his regular weather temps would be hotter than someone in NJ... Now soo many people on this forum are from all over the U.S. so let a NJ person on here tell me some news and I'll take his/her word a lot easier than someone who lives in OHIO or anywhere else..!! Yall seem not to be getting MY point, and that's I'm going to raise(keep) MY snakes the way that best suits ME...[emoji106]🏿[emoji108]🏿...... So what erryyone<--southern accent lol, is telling me is clear bellies DONT mean anything, I craiglisted these two beauties so no kind of breeder news to what type het he/she is cuz he shows some markers also...just a quick question don't get rediculous wit the answers, **putting two gets together would get you what outcome..??**


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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

Hmmmmmm ok, understood now different states and regions have different temps/humidity levels so the guy I got pastel from lives in NC closer to the equator so his regular weather temps would be hotter than someone in NJ... Now soo many people on this forum are from all over the U.S. so let a NJ person on here tell me some news and I'll take his/her word a lot easier than someone who lives in OHIO or anywhere else..!! Yall seem not to be getting MY point, and that's I'm going to raise(keep) MY snakes the way that best suits ME...[emoji106]🏿[emoji108]🏿...... So what erryyone<--southern accent lol, is telling me is clear bellies DONT mean anything, I craiglisted these two beauties so no kind of breeder news to what type het he/she is cuz he shows some markers also...just a quick question don't get rediculous wit the answers, **putting two gets together would get you what outcome..??**


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ECecho, your posts are rambling, incoherent, and without logic.
If you don't raise the snakes in the way that suits THEM, they will sicken and die.
Its not about you.
Please do your animals a favor, and re-home them.

It is people like you that dont listen to anyone why people like me rescue snakes like thishttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...b9fea45ac0.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...7dff808fca.jpg everyone here has tried to help u nicely to many times...if u live in alaska you still need to mimic the weather in AFRICA if you live in Wisconsin you need to mimic the weather in AFRICA if you live in Jersey you need to mimic the weather in AFRICA of you live in Florida you need to mimic the weather in AFRICA....must I go on...ball pythons are ball python no matter were you live.in the wild are snakes confined to one enclosure with other snakes? No there not... in all your trips to Africa how many ball pythons did you see in the same termite mound .Go back to school read some books and study gentics. Read some ball python 101 2 or 3 times fix your stuff and then think about breeding. You truly have no idea what it entails to care for and hatch and feed ball pythons . Im all for people breeding but listen to your elders(if you were taught that) that have hundreds and thousands of clutches under there belt and succeed or go about it your way and fail miserably. Cards are in your hands

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Originally Posted by Foxton

Again?

No money for proper housing.
No idea what decent husbandry even looks like.
No ability to understand why he's wrong.
No thought to how he shouldn't have bought another snake when he can't care for the ones he has.
No understanding of genetics.
No way to incubate any eggs if any ever get produced.
No place to keep any babies.

Really feel bad for the snakes.

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I've had these snakes for 5 years and ain't NOTHING happened/s to them and just cuz I don't post it doesn't mean I don't have it, could incubate the eggs if they needed it tomorrow.. OMGoodness I can't wait to prove yall wrong, yall gon be saying oh snap maybe he WAS saying something we didn't understand..!!!!!!


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You know, you can see the general location of a lot of the people who have posted on this thread in the info under their avatar. So you actually have gotten that advice from people living in the same geographical region as you.


EDIT: I'd put the odds of you being able to say that at under .01%... So, statistically negligible. However, I will comment and tell you how cute all your normal babies are if those snakes ever breed.