Controversy is great

See... I don't mind them using them. Everything gotta eat. I would just mind them causing suffering for no reason... If they're f/t it's the same as our mice. I just wouldn't go to a BP forum or FB group and post it. We had a guy do that on FB in a BP group. Insta-ban... That's just rude....

F/T snakes because king cobras got to eat = Nothing wrong with that

Live morphs because someone hates ball pythons and wants to bash the BP keepers = Not okay and not cool.

I'll leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Bluebonnet Herp

F/T snakes because king cobras got to eat = Nothing wrong with that

Live morphs because someone hates ball pythons and wants to bash the BP keepers = Not okay and not cool.

I'll leave it at that.

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This. This is what I thought was going on. But I guess I was wrong about what it was. Don't know how one acquires f/t morphs, maybe someone donated their pet or a retired breeder? But it's jut that he was feeding his king cobra. I think what a lot of it was was something I must have missed. I get the impression that a lot of people take offense towards him and attack him in the comments, causing him to be defensive by saying "if it offends then unfollow." I assume that he just gets what ever f/t snakes he can get his hands on. I went all the way back into his earlier photos and there were normals also.


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Originally Posted by Citrus

Ok, here's what I've found out:

I dug deeper into the account and it turns out he normally feeds it frozen ball pythons.

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And so just how MANY times has this guy felt the need to post feeding pictures? Does he think that the people who follow him are still unclear on the idea that cobras are ophiophagous?

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

I went back and watched the pied video again....few times actually, just because I was now curious. I think it's moving because he is pushing it with the tongs....if you look at the snakes stomach it looks like it had a necro done because it is cut open...no blood etc. Either way I agree I have followed him for a while and for what it's worth I agree he does care....I'm sure it pisses a lot of people off...if you go far back he initially answered every question that came his way...but lately it seems like he is over answering the same questions over and over.

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Hmm. I don't keep hots so I probably don't have much place to comment on keeping practices, but if a fully grown snake dropped dead I would hesitate to feed it off. Kinks and abnormalities out of the eggs are just things that happen, but for formally healthy adult to kick it I would be worried about possibly spreading disease. Are the two species just dissimilar enough that the risk for passing infection isn't there?

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Originally Posted by Lizardlicks

Hmm. I don't keep hots so I probably don't have much place to comment on keeping practices, but if a fully grown snake dropped dead I would hesitate to feed it off. Kinks and abnormalities out of the eggs are just things that happen, but for formally healthy adult to kick it I would be worried about possibly spreading disease. Are the two species just dissimilar enough that the risk for passing infection isn't there?

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It looks like all the feeders had necros done...also they aren't all full grown....some looked somewhat kinked, some looked fine. Again I think it's just what comes his way.

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And so just how MANY times has this guy felt the need to post feeding pictures? Does he think that the people who follow him are still unclear on the idea that cobras are ophiophagous?

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Not that many...he posts all the animals that he cares for at the facility he works at...very few are actually feeding pictures, even fewer are of the cobra feeding...most are just the animals or him handling them

Personally, I don't like seeing Ball Pythons being used as feeders, regardless of what their genetic composition is. To me, a Normal is just as "valuable" as a morph costing several hundreds of dollars in this context, since they're all living things, and experience pain and fear in equal degrees, just as they would hopefully respond favorably in similar measure to kind and caring treatment. As an aside, I really couldn't care less that my bp isn't some celebrated morph. That makes him all the more "natural" (as well as beautiful) to me.

Wait.. I thought these were FLAVORS!

Cinnamon
Bubble Gum
Cajun Butter
Buttered Rum
Chocolate Chip
Chocolate Chunk
Candy
Cantaloupe
Caramel
Banana
PIE-d
Mocha
Chocolate
Butter
Champagne
Lemon blast
Java
Orange Dream
Apricot
Banana Butter
Brown Sugar

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All this over a guy feeding stillborn or clearly passed snakes to another snake....lol.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

All this over a guy feeding stillborn or clearly passed snakes to another snake....lol.

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I don't care what he feeds his snake. What do you think his thoughts were in POSTING PICTURES of his snake eating a pied ball python?