why? WHY??

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Phrynosoma Cornutum (Texas Horned Lizards) were specifically mentioned,

References were made to other studies involving other species.

Something to keep in mind...

The stress of acclimation - specifically introducing a captive snake to a new environment - has been observed to last an average of 21 days. Again, this stress is quantified by measuring cortisol levels in the animal.

Presumably, that 21 days is how long it takes for the snake to accept spatial and chemical cues and, for lack of a better term. "make peace" with them.

When you clean an enclosure, you may alter both cues that the animal used to acclimate itself to it's "home". You may remove all of the chemical cues by cleaning and if you rearrange or replace the furniture you alter the spatial ones.

You introduce new chemical cues that are transient and which the snake never really adapts to (the scent of the cleaner).

As with any husbandry operation, the key is to make things as stress free as possible. If you use a cleaner like F10, even using it for spot cleaning may not give the animal enough time to register it as a chemical cue that's part of their environment. The experiments showed that if you kept something with a trace of that chemical clue in the enclosure for a period of time, the cleaner would not induce a defecation response.

None of this is new. Many of these studies go back to the 1970s.

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So in short, our snakes enjoy making us work lol :D

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Originally Posted by Jhill001

I'd have read the study if the book wasn't 180 bucks or 120 for a dang E-book. I wonder if these people ever thought about lowering these things to like 40 bucks how many people would actually buy them. Especially for a book published 13-14 years ago.

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The book references other studies. Save your money and look up the studies that are referenced. I got a copy of the book when it was in print and it was a fraction of the price.

This isn't directed at you but members in general. Google is virtually useless when trying to look up specific scientific papers. If you are trying to look at feeding habits of a particular species, you need to understand what study would be undertaken to determine such habits.

There have been thousands of studies done on captive and wild snakes ranging from behavior, to feeding patterns, to stress responses, to prey size and type and adaptations that define their natural history.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

The book references other studies. Save your money and look up the studies that are referenced. I got a copy of the book when it was in print and it was a fraction of the price.

This isn't directed at you but members in general. Google is virtually useless when trying to look up specific scientific papers. If you are trying to look at feeding habits of a particular species, you need to understand what study would be undertaken to determine such habits.

There have been thousands of studies done on captive and wild snakes ranging from behavior, to feeding patterns, to stress responses, to prey size and type and adaptations that define their natural history.

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Is there a good source to look up specific scientific papers that you use or know of?

Because I started searching for some scientific papers and such and they want to charge me 10 bucks just to look at one and that one is 40 years old!

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Originally Posted by Jhill001

Because I started searching for some scientific papers and such and they want to charge me 10 bucks just to look at one and that one is 40 years old!

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I have free access to them through other avenues.....most are pay to play.

One says its a non-profit I'm calling BS on that one.

@Skiploder

Very interesting, and that would explain a few things.

We have found, as many do, that sometimes the girls go in groups on cleaning days.

I.E.. We can change 30-40 girls then come back in 4hrs and 5-7 with have made a mess. This is typical during the winter when we spot clean, etc. and reuse bins almost all the time.

Interestingly, in the summer months when we try to swap bins out and power wash them outside it feels like we are cleaning more often. Maybe we should scale back on the OCD cleaning.
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Thx,
Chris

i just ordered a 2L F10.

I gave my snakes the pee at will command.

Yes there is a reason for this has to do with natural hunting instinct. Will find the article to post

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Originally Posted by Peoples

Yes there is a reason for this has to do with natural hunting instinct. Will find the article to post

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There was a dedicated study done on this and it had absolutely nothing to do with hunting. Can you provide me a link to this contradictory study?