AP Cages?

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Originally Posted by Fraido

This is not the place for this conversation, so, sucks that we have different opinions. I am not going to argue/discuss this with you, I am moving on. I simply stated my opinion so it doesn't need to become some heated discussion, like you said, I am allowed to state my opinion.

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A post where the OP is asking opinions on caging for an animal would in fact fall under husbandry, but at the end of the day I can't force anyone to change their method of care, I am just trying to provide information that will hopefully guide people to make better decisions.

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

A post where the OP is asking opinions on caging for an animal would in fact fall under husbandry, but at the end of the day I can't force anyone to change their method of care, I am just trying to provide information that will hopefully guide people to make better decisions.

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Agree to disagree?

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Originally Posted by Fraido

Agree to disagree?

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as far as it not being the correct place sure

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

as far as it not being the correct place sure

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I was referring to what was said prior to that. But, oh well.

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Originally Posted by Fraido

I was referring to what was said prior to that. But, oh well.

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I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk, however I take animal care of any kind seriously and I don't waiver on my belief that proper care is vital to the health of the animal, and its far too often that I see posts staying "how small of a cage", "whats the bare minimum" etc. In this the OP asked about cages, so I voiced my opinion. Generally the cost of a proper setup far outweighs the cost of the animal.

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk, however I take animal care of any kind seriously and I don't waiver on my belief that proper care is vital to the health of the animal, and its far too often that I see posts staying "how small of a cage", "whats the bare minimum" etc. In this the OP asked about cages, so I voiced my opinion. Generally the cost of a proper setup far outweighs the cost of the animal.

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I understand that, and I don't like it when animals aren't cared for properly. But of all things, I don't feel as though whether or not somebody uses papertowel, or other things like it, over aspen bedding or plantation soil is going to be the deciding factor as to whether or not the reptile is being cared for properly.

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Originally Posted by Fraido

I understand that, and I don't like it when animals aren't cared for properly. But of all things, I don't feel as though whether or not somebody uses papertowel, or other things like it, over aspen bedding or plantation soil is going to be the deciding factor as to whether or not the reptile is being cared for properly.

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This is where I will agree to disagree. I can't say for snakes, because it really doesn't seem to matter (although i keep mine in a deep dirt substrate) but for lizards, (more so monitors and tegus) but I believe for all lizards, have a substrait that can safely retain moisture (even very little in the case of a beardie) without becomming satuarated, providing them the ability to burrow and have a moist hide DOES in fact prevent things such a gout and dehydration. Which can slowly over YEARS kill a lizard.

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

This is where I will agree to disagree. I can't say for snakes, because it really doesn't seem to matter (although i keep mine in a deep dirt substrate) but for lizards, (more so monitors and tegus) but I believe for all lizards, have a substrait that can safely retain moisture (even very little in the case of a beardie) without becomming satuarated, providing them the ability to burrow and have a moist hide DOES in fact prevent things such a gout and dehydration. Which can slowly over YEARS kill a lizard.

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I don't own lizards, and most bearded dragons I've seen have just been on paper towel (or something similar). Even Brian from Snakebytes uses something like that for his beardies, I'm pretty sure. I figure you could simply just have a legitimate moist hide for them, like leopard geckos.

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Originally Posted by Fraido

I don't own lizards, and most bearded dragons I've seen have just been on paper towel (or something similar). Even Brian from Snakebytes uses something like that for his beardies, I'm pretty sure. I figure you could simply just have a legitimate moist hide for them, like leopard geckos.

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In my opinion (I will probably get flamed for this) Brian's care for lizards is off, he has recently started lizards and while im sure his INTENTIONS are good his husbandry isn't there, to be honest he just got into blueys and I'm almost afraid to see his housing for them. I don't agree with lizards being in racks like he has his dragons. Here are two extremes, I am not saying a beardie needs an enclosure this big, (but how awesome would it be) But compare how this breeder houses his dragons to Brian's: http://atomiclizardranch.net/bearded-dragon-breeders/ If you are interested here is some reading, one of the links is about Monitors, however he does a good job of explaining gout and the though process behind why the correct substrate is essential. If my "ranting" even can change one person's outlook than I am happy.


http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/exot..._reptiles.html
http://www.anapsid.org/kidney.html
http://www.anapsid.org/diverskidney.html
http://www.varanustalk.com/forum/iframer4.php?page=gout

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

In my opinion (I will probably get flamed for this) Brian's care for lizards is off, he has recently started lizards and while im sure his INTENTIONS are good his husbandry isn't there, to be honest he just got into blueys and I'm almost afraid to see his housing for them. I don't agree with lizards being in racks like he has his dragons. Here are two extremes, I am not saying a beardie needs an enclosure this big, (but how awesome would it be) But compare how this breeder houses his dragons to Brian's: http://atomiclizardranch.net/bearded-dragon-breeders/ If you are interested here is some reading, one of the links is about Monitors, however he does a good job of explaining gout and the though process behind why the correct substrate is essential. If my "ranting" even can change one person's outlook than I am happy.


http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/exot..._reptiles.html
http://www.anapsid.org/kidney.html
http://www.anapsid.org/diverskidney.html
http://www.varanustalk.com/forum/iframer4.php?page=gout

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I'm not a big believer in rack systems in general, I like tanks, nice ones. But I don't see the major issue with keeping lizards in racks, if they're a good sized rack, then I think it's fine. I recall a show of Brian's about the leopard gecko breeder, and all of his are in racks, aren't they?
Anyway, I don't know, everybody has their own opinion as to how things should be done.