Pastel Piebald x Bumblebee het Piebald clutch id help

HJ winner is german so quite close from your bredeer... that could have got his snake from Winner.

I just came across this thread but I have to agree with Darkranger,

it is possible he got an animal from Winner somewhere in the past and that got mixed in to his pied projects

Can I ask where in Europe you live?

thank you ARBallmorphs, i feel less paranoid.

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Originally Posted by darkranger69

thank you ARBallmorphs, i feel less paranoid.

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haha,

Yeah just saying it is possible as for a while HJ Winner didn't know himself what was really going on with the Hurricane, or well that is what I understood when I was talking to him at a show though my German isn't that good.

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Originally Posted by ARBallMorphs

I just came across this thread but I have to agree with Darkranger,

it is possible he got an animal from Winner somewhere in the past and that got mixed in to his pied projects

Can I ask where in Europe you live?

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Hi personally I am from Croatia, but the breeder where I got the mother and father of the clutch is from Austria.
I tried contacting the breeder but till now I didnt get any response.

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Originally Posted by Helix

Hi personally I am from Croatia, but the breeder where I got the mother and father of the clutch is from Austria.
I tried contacting the breeder but till now I didnt get any response.

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You said you were able to get a hold of the breeder. Did he shed any light on what mystery genes could be going on?

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My guess is there is something in the YB complex going on. Perhaps Spark, or Gravel. Spark would account for the stripe and head pattern and the YB looking hatchling.

I contacted him last year for the last years clutch. The male should be Pastel Piebald, thats it.
This year when I got same weird looking animals, it really got me thinking that it couldnt be just a Pastel...

I asked the breeder what he thinks about striped Pastel Piebald, havent gotten a reply yet.
What do you guys think about the striped Pastel Piebald? First I thought it is Super Pastel Piebald because he had really washed out sides and stripe on his back...
And now I think it might be Pastel + "something" Piebald?


@rlditmars

Yeah I was scratching my head looking at "normals" I produced from this male...but I think it isnt yellowbelly...still might be something from yellowbelly complex...

Could be a specter gene as well, i don t see spark or gravel. Specter produce stripe babies even not paired with YB group genes. my black pastel specter has a 80% stripe. The normal for me is just normal.