Local Pet Store Not Taking Care of Their Snakes

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Originally Posted by Gary P

if I had the money, I would save him from his dreadful life, but I don't :(.).

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Your heart is in the right place but buying it is the worst thing you could do. If a store isn't taking care of their animals and people are buying them then they have no reason to give proper care. A stores main concern is profit. The best way to deal with it is not give them money. Either an animal will die without proper care or sit on the shelf and cost them money instead of making them any. Sad for the animals but that is what it takes for most stores to take notice. People feeling sorry for the animals and buying them is only gonna hurt then next animal the store brings in to replace it.

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Originally Posted by Gary P

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today didn't they? My post was asking for help on what I could do, I didn't ask for an editor to break down and disagree with everything I wrote. (which is never helpful, ever, in the history of any forum)

Am I not aloud to make assumptions? Something wrong with that? I wasn't trying to hide the fact that they WERE assumptions, I used the word "could" did I not? Can you read?

As mentioned in the care sheet ON THIS WEBSITE, hides are required for ball pythons to feel secure and less stressed... Sooo you just contradicted information that is part of the forum that you are a senior member of... lol.

I understand a heat gun could be used for temps, that is a valid point. Also pointed out (and shrugged off) by yourself is the fact that humidity levels can not be checked that way. Humidity is just as important as temperature. Not sure how you can tell the humidity "by just looking" but whatever.

Also mentioned in the care sheet is the importance that the snakes have a regular night and day schedule. Not be in a room where a light is constantly being flicked on and off.

Poison like you doesn't need to be on this forum. Get out.

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If you are going to confront a store about their keeping practices, you better actually have some valid points. All I broke down was the invalid points, as you can see I left out other things you brought up that are completely valid imo. The manager is probably going to roll his eyes at the invalid points are not take you seriously. BTW breaking down the post makes sure you know exacting what I am referring to, so yes it is helpful. But if you prefer one big quote, there you go.

No, you cannot make assumption when attacking a something. Trying to imply other things based off of completely normal activity makes you sound very uneducated and unqualified to make any comments on any keeping practices. I thought you wanted to be taken seriously and actually help these animals?

I see that hides are suggested, nothing about required. They are also under the section of "why won't my snake eat" which I believe I specially brought up. Explain my contradiction?

Are you not able to tell the difference between normal substrate, wet substrate, or dry substrate? I see the caresheet does actually disagree with me on this one, which I have no problem arguing that the suggested 10% window they offer is ridiculous, as would many other keepers. I would like someone to point out something the suggest they need day/night cycle, there are many keeping practices which prove differently. Also the care sheet seem to put more stress on excessive lighting.

The caresheet intent is to help out the new person and make it easy as possible on them. My experience along with many others experience can show it is not the only way to do things. But if that is poison, guess I'll get out.

so, basically what OWAL is saying is: focus on the issues that are completely clear and obvious and not up for debate.

as in, dried-up water bowls, feces in the enclosure, shed in the enclosure, and feces in water bowls are completely clear.

but a BP soaking or when the temperature probes are not visible or not there, its not clear. sure, it could imply mites, it could imply that the temperatures are off, but its not necessarily true. the BP could just be soaking for fun and they could have a setup that works just fine and holds the right temperatures with dimmers.

now it once again becomes clear when you actually see some mites, or when you walk in there with a temp gun and take actual temperature readings.

i have to say i agree with OWAL, when making complaints and asking them to improve their husbandry, stick to the things that are really clear and not negotiable. dried up water bowls, old sheds, old feces, bad smell, thats unacceptable and there is no way to talk your way out of it.


i also agree with vangarett2000: dont buy animals from pet shops that dont properly care about them. if you buy out of mercy, its not a rescue, because you are giving them a financial reward and make them put the next animal into the same bad situation. its only a rescue when you get a snake out of a bad situation, and you get it for free or at a big discount, and no new animal will replace it.

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Originally Posted by Gary P

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today didn't they? My post was asking for help on what I could do, I didn't ask for an editor to break down and disagree with everything I wrote. (which is never helpful, ever, in the history of any forum)

Am I not aloud to make assumptions? Something wrong with that? I wasn't trying to hide the fact that they WERE assumptions, I used the word "could" did I not? Can you read?

As mentioned in the care sheet ON THIS WEBSITE, hides are required for ball pythons to feel secure and less stressed... Sooo you just contradicted information that is part of the forum that you are a senior member of... lol.

I understand a heat gun could be used for temps, that is a valid point. Also pointed out (and shrugged off) by yourself is the fact that humidity levels can not be checked that way. Humidity is just as important as temperature. Not sure how you can tell the humidity "by just looking" but whatever.

Also mentioned in the care sheet is the importance that the snakes have a regular night and day schedule. Not be in a room where a light is constantly being flicked on and off.

Poison like you doesn't need to be on this forum. Get out.

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Attacking someone else is just as poisonous..

1) Hides wont help the constant Glass tapping, Most have the ugly exoterra half wood hides anyways

2) Red lights "dont show to snakes" as some say so they use this as many others with tanks do. Store lights will shin through tank giving them light, then at night when they close lights dim or turn off.

3) Snakes soak, BUT ALL pet stores dont give PERFECT husbandry its common, since snakes usually dont last too,too long, They often give a hotspot (which in little tank is enitre things)

4)I dont have any gauges, Does this mean I Should be called a bad owner?? I don't judge my humidity in ANY of my tubs from my Paper substrate to Coco husk ones.... Aslong as snakes have a decent shed and or amazing shed. And have no eye dimples or other sighns of dehydration, its fine! Iv yet to have 1 bad shed, and have never used those temp/humidty gauges, they are garbage and wrong anyways.

5) There heat source is a red light its very hard to gauge, for them and change, unless they have on rheostat, so usually the heat stays at X degrees for snake...


No where am i arguing with you, but you listed many things that are very common, and the usually for big chain pet stores... As for the no water that is unacceptable yes, As for the fecal in water or snake in water this is common.. Specially when there is no heat gradient, due to the small size of there housing.

They have over 20-30 species per small area, So they use the very basic to provide moderate commendation for these animals.. They arn't a Reptile shot, they have all types of animals, most employees couldnt tell you the sex of the animals unless there Genitals are hanging out right in front of there face. Again this is common.

IF you didnt come here for advice or w.e you mentioned then what did you make this thread for? The mass of us to see horrible housing for snakes? For us to say Wow rest your soul in heaven you "WANT TO HELP" but don't actually talk to someone first before writing this?


Im overall confused of the reason for this post. And then attacking someone giving you general advice saying poison. I mean common, lets be serious here, 95% of us know PET STORE REPTILES are never maintained like they should be! I mean hey in which world is a normal 80g male, (Sold as female or unknown) worth the $139.95 But for $119.99 IF you have pet perks! YAY:gj: Or paying over 250$ For a fish tank and heat pad, (and bunch of crappy gauges and hides)
Again.. petstores... Stay away from there overprices, ridiculous "crap" they sell. I mean Best substrate offered for my BP was a White Sand i was told "as a idiot buyer while gf was buying chinchilla food" Lets be real here, They know nothing.

Telling a long time forum user to get out usually doesn't leave a good impression.

You posted this here asking for help, and he gave you help. Just because it's not what you want to hear doesn't make it bad advice.

I know some would suggest calling fish and wildlife or the humane society. Although they usually consider a reptile to be fine if it has food and water.


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I know the feeling. It horrible to see animals like that. Write a letter to the manager with pics. That's what I had to do. I went into a petco by my house to get new hides for my bps and stopped by the reptile section and saw three dead red tail boas in a cage with 9 more cramped in a small cage. I told one of the workers about the dead snakes and all he did was take them out and throw them in the trash. I came back three days later for substrate and saw two more dead one. I asked to see the manager but he wasn't there. I told them that the rtbs are sick and need a vet. This is the second time in a week that I have seen dead snakes in there and told him the cage they have them in is to small for how many they have in there. The person I talked to was clueless about snakes. I took pics, a video, and wrote a letter to the management and told them I will make sure the words spread about their store and how they treat their animals. I never went back to that store.