Everyone is a breeder.

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

I love the.."I LOVE SNAKES" replies...it all comes down to $$$$$$ cha-ching, cha-ching$$$$$$

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There's much easier and more profitable way to make money than breeding ball pythons. So please calm yourself.

I think most people breed Ball Pythons because they have a dream in producing a certain morph. Plus, it's always nice to produce a morph that you want and at the same time break even (or loose less money) on your hobby.

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

I love the.."I LOVE SNAKES" replies...it all comes down to $$$$$$ cha-ching, cha-ching$$$$$$

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Please explain how it all comes down to money. I'm interested in seeing what your pea brain comes up with.

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

I love the.."I LOVE SNAKES" replies...it all comes down to $$$$$$ cha-ching, cha-ching$$$$$$

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I would love for you to elaborate on this................

For me, it's about selectively breeding in the hopes of producing what I think is the ideal representation of what a base morph or combo should look like.

And experiencing this first hand is completely different than seeing it in pictures or on the net...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...s/IMG_4962.jpg

Like others, I think where you are and who is doing most of the posting here is biasing your perception by a lot.

Yes, more people are into breeding BP now than there used to be - there are more morphs and more availability than there used to be. There are also more people keeping BP as pets as CBB snakes became available and the price of single gene morphs and normals dropped. People breeding have more to talk ABOUT, so they post more here.

I don't breed. I have ZERO interest in breeding because it's expensive, difficult, and I really don't care about paint-jobs - and for me, as a pet owner, the color and pattern aren't important; they don't change the quality of PET the snake makes.

A lot of the people here (like me), come in, get the basic husbandry information that is useful regardless. We come in, we get that information, we learn the basics. Some people get bitten by 'the bug' and want to breed. Some people (again like me) then kick back and are content to answer the odd basic question, offer our insight occasionally, but mostly just read or wander away again, because. They're snakes. They aren't complicated creatures and their needs are simple. If you're not getting into breeding and trying to figure that out, once your snake is set up there's not a whole lot OUTSIDE of breeding to contemplate, unless you're facing a health issue.

So, yeah, most of the talking going on is breeding related. I mean... honestly, what can I say about my snakes? I have a whole three. I like them a LOT, the BP and the King. They've been set up for 1-2-3 months and feeding regularly and well since I got them. They're neat! I take them outside sometimes. I handle them a lot. I enjoy their personalities. It's fun to watch them grow and mature. I enjoy letting them hang out with me on the computer or while I watch TV at night. I take more pictures than is probably smart. I share some of those pictures.

But there ain't a whole lot for me, as a pet owner, to be posting about here. It's not like we're doing agility classes or they won't stop barking :P

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

I love the.."I LOVE SNAKES" replies...it all comes down to $$$$$$ cha-ching, cha-ching$$$$$$

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hahahahahahaha........ If you think there is any real money to be made breeding ball pythons as a hobby then you are sadly mistaken. Show me a hobby breeder who thinks he/she has made a substantial amount of money breeding bp's and I'll show you someone who isn't keeping track of how much money they have put into breeding bp's. I've put somewhere between $15k-$20k(maybe more) into my bp collection over the past 4 years and even if I hadn't held back the babies from the clutches that I've had, I might have made $2,500.

They're right in the sweet spot:

-Easy to breed
-Easy to keep, space efficient, easy husbandry
-Can be an intro reptile for someone, so the customer base is wider than other reptiles
-They have tons of morphs and combos that combine in predictable ways - tens of thousands of possible combos
-Although predictable, there is a lot of variation which makes the opportunity for selective breeding more exciting than many of the colubrids
-Colubrids are too slender and quick - I actually don't like 'skinny' snakes very much where balls do not give me that primal uncertainty feeling. I know there are others who feel the same
-Clutch size is small enough to maintain a base value per animal and big enough to keep enticing odds on 2+ gene combos 'hitting'

etc.

I don't breed and if I did it would only be for the love of the animals and the process.I respect breeders because it is hard, it is time consuming, and very expensive!Maybe people enter into the hobby thinking they can get rich easy but they don't last long and people that do finally far into the future make money my hat goes off to them they earned it!Rudy the only breeder I talk to off of this site and when he gets a clutch his excitement is like a kid going to Disney land!I like to breed my snakes one day just to see the process and be part of it but I can not afford the time or energy, let alone the money!I am not bashing you at all and I'm sure their are people breeding only for profit but most are decent people that have other jobs to support their love of doing this.As in all things there are people that are doing it for the wrong reasons but it is no simple task to care for these animals or to produce offspring from them.Just housing and caring for a clutch of babies must be nuts, I have no comment about flippers and importers but breeders I respect,especially the ones on here that are always there to answer owners questions over and over again with no profit in it for them!Again in not bashing you in anyway, I think a bunch of people feel that way but that's when you find collection sales on Craigslist lol!

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It has been said on here, but the reason I am looking into breeding is I want to make the best, Bumble Bee, the Best Calider that I can. That's all. Funny thing about the BP taking off like it has, is it has dwindled down the numbers of, forgive me, idiots rushing into a Reticulated or Burmese Python getting bit/killed, having them escape and cause national drama, or like the Burmese python population now in south florida because of people buying something they had no idea about.

Breeding is the next logical step though. After the cage is ready, then it is photo bombing. After that you either quietly enjoy growing old with your snake, get rid of it cause you are bored, or you breed it. =)

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Originally Posted by BiggBaddWolf

I love the.."I LOVE SNAKES" replies...it all comes down to $$$$$$ cha-ching, cha-ching$$$$$$

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Well lets count...

225 for Unproven Granite Female 125 for proven A+++ YB male 2 years of Feeding Plus bedding Plus Rack and Incubator (around 1400$ give or take)

Don't Even count time (time is money too right??? )

So around after spending around 1800$ i got 3 good eggs hatched 3 granite's (yea I prove my female) sold 2 of them for 50$ each third I given away to my friend so My $$$$$$ cha-ching, cha-ching$$$$$$ is around negative 1700$ :8:

But Quoting MasterCard Commercial:
Seeing little head piping Out of the eggs PRICELESS!!!!!! :cool:

Yea I have Trouble to sell that Pair for 250$ now to finance 2 gene male for My Pewter female...

But "YOU RIGHT" all comes down to $$$$$$ cha-ching, cha-ching$$$$$$ :rolleyes: