Pastels?

So.... a Citrus Pastel YB is of no use? Just an example of your short sightedness.

0.5 Pastels, 0.1 LemonBlast, 0.1 Pastel Het Clown and 0.2 Super Pastels here. Many males with the Pastel gene.... Enchi Pastel, Pastel Het Clowns, Pastel Het Pieds, etc....

All have many great uses when paired with a good mate.....

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

So.... a Citrus Pastel YB is of no use? Just an example of your short sightedness.

0.5 Pastels, 0.1 LemonBlast, 0.1 Pastel Het Clown and 0.2 Super Pastels here. Many males with the Pastel gene.... Enchi Pastel, Pastel Het Clowns, Pastel Het Pieds, etc....

All have many great uses when paired with a good mate.....

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short sightedness? really?

let me modify the middle sentence a little bit, for fun, lets replace pastel with enchi....

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0.5 Enchis, 0.1 Enchi Pin, 0.1 Enchi Het Clown and 0.2 Super Enchis. Many males with the Enchi gene.... Super Enchi, Enchi Het Clowns, Enchi Het Pieds, etc....

All have many great uses when paired with a good mate.....

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i dont know, looks better to me this way :) . we could play the same game with fire or YB/Ivory or many other morphs. oh, and, in the example, please disregard the higher price of enchi, try to assume exactly the same price for enchi and pastel.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

oh, and, in the example, please disregard the higher price of enchi, try to assume exactly the same price for enchi and pastel.

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You can't disregard the higher price of Enchi......

You always breed higher qenetic males to lower genetic females. Foolish if you do it the other way around.

I have a lot of Enchi combo males going to Pastels/Super Pastels/LemonBlast. Why would I put the cost of an Enchi female in my project like I did my Pastels when I can get double gene Enchi males for a few dollars more than a straight up Enchi female? I do have 0.2 Enchis, but 0.5 is not required with my Enchi males.

Pastels girls are here to stay.

For someone who doesn't own a bp, you do a lot of typing just to hear yourself think. Quantum Physics means nothing in breeding ball pythons.....

From my thread....

This is obviously a worthless clutch.....

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Proven 2010 Pastel comes through again. 1860g last season and gave me 7 eggs (all good). She got up to 2280g this season and gave 9 eggs to a Banana pairing. Actually paired to both my Bananas....

9 eggs (896g), all candle good. Mom is tucked away in a fresh tub after a shower :gj:

First two are cell pics.... crappy!! The last pic of a lock shows her colors a bit better. I'm so foolish to even have Pastels in my collection....lol!!

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And one of the potential dads is not just a Banana :)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...psdd0c9e63.jpg

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

This is obviously a worthless clutch.....

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i didnt say pastel is worthless. just a bit overrated and cannot compare to certain other morphs. a pastel is most certainly better than a normal. and with such a smoking hot male, even a clutch from a normal female is valuable. and even a normal x normal clutch has inherent value.

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You can't disregard the higher price of Enchi......

You always breed higher qenetic males to lower genetic females. Foolish if you do it the other way around.

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if they are better than enchi ONLY because they are cheaper than enchi, then this kinda proves my point. yes pastel is the monetarily cheapest morph. my main point is that other codominant genes like enchi, fire, lesser, YB are better than pastel and have more potential than pastel. IF the price would be the same, THEN you would prefer these, and thats why i said that im not talking about the price.

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For someone who doesn't own a bp, you do a lot of typing just to hear yourself think. Quantum Physics means nothing in breeding ball pythons.....

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and that is called an "ad hominem". if you would have succeeded in adressing the main argument of my post i would not have bothered to point out a little "ad hominem" like this.

I can buy 0.5 Pastels to your 0.1 Enchi. I'm not ruling out Enchi by any means, but my 0.5 Pastels give me 5x more eggs in two years than your 0.1 Enchi.

That's what I call a wise decision considering some of the males I already have are Enchi morphs.

No need to reply. You have earned the "ignore user" button.

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I can buy 0.5 Pastels to your 0.1 Enchi. I'm not ruling out Enchi by any means, but my 0.5 Pastels give me 5x more eggs in two years than your 0.1 Enchi.

That's what I call a wise decision considering some of the males I already have are Enchi morphs.

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so if you could choose one of the following: 0.1 pastel, or 0.1 enchi, or 0.1 some other comparable codominant morph, and they would all be the same price, same weight, same gender, what would you choose?

i guess you wont reply. i just want to point out that you still did not adress my argument.

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No need to reply. You have earned the "ignore user" button.

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not sure if thats an "ad hominem" or maybe just a "red herring". i guess its an "ad hominem" because its directed against me, while you still leave my main argument untouched.

Sorry but pythonfriend why does your opinion on any of this even matter you don't even have a bp all you talk about is when you start your collection seems to me that your just another person that talks without actually doing anything

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I personally like pastels so they are one of the genes I play with in my evil laboratory. All pastels will "brown out" to one degree or another but this isn't necessarily a bad thing. I really dig how my oldest pastel girl looks and am looking forward to seeing how some of her progeny look as they age too. It's pretty silly to argue about differences in taste - of course not everybody is going to like what you like. A massive percentage of pastels on the market are not to my personal taste either and I wouldn't breed them if you paid me. Luckily I found a couple that I do like so I get to work with one of my favorite genes.

Couple examples of why I like pastel. Pictures were taken without a flash and when the sun was behind clouds - no washout.

My oldest girl and her daughter:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps6231f176.jpg

Same pastel daughter as above with firefly brother when they were both right around the 1000g mark:
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps12a1fdb4.jpg

Pastels would not have such a bad rap with a lot of people if it was not for a bunch of people producing them for quantity and throwing the concept of quality out the window. I have see 400 gram pastels that were so faded and brown that they looked normal, I have also seen 1600+ gram pastels that still looked bright yellow and had high blushing.

The problem is, as been mentioned in this thread already, they are a cheap morph...aka a morph most new breeders can easily get. Who is statistically more likely to throw lower quality animals together just to get some eggs?...newer breeders. They keep the one nice baby (out of the 6 or so that hatch) and sell the rest to other new breeders. Now you have 5 more people breeding a low end pet only quality snake.

In all honesty from the right line and from the right breeder I would still pay $200 or more for the right pastel female. That being said most pastels out their on the general market are worth no more than a normal.