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This is Ken of Ken Bergman Reptiles, the genetics site you were refering to. You know, I really wish they still taught basic economics in school so questions like what started this forum didn't have to be asked. If there is a high demand for something as rare as a morph that is recessive which takes roughly 3 years to make, added to that the outbreeding that must be done so you don't get over inbreeding, plus a species that only lays on average 6 to 8 eggs per year... like someone would sell a snake for $20 with that much effort and demand...
Think of a mansion versus a double-wide trailer. Not everyone can have a mansion, unless they are successful. You can't have everything you want just because you want it. You have to work hard for it. You can't just start at the top; you have to pay your dues. Some people can't see what it takes to be on top, or the price of material and labor it takes to build a mansion, or make a Piebald Ball Python. Please, go build a house, spend thousands of hours on it, and be forced to sell it for $100. Tell me if you'd ever build a house again.
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Ken, welcome to the site. We've discussed this before and tried to explain the investment (time and money) that goes into production of morphs versus normals, but it isn't going to stop all of us who want morphs and can't afford them from wishing that we could afford them. I don't have a problem with the prices, personally. I think it's great that the ball python morph market has sustained itself so well, versus some other reptile morph markets where price dropped too rapidly due to actions on the part of a few breeders.
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Agreed. Welcome to the site, Ken! I really liked your genetics website; I'm a veterinary student myself in a genetics course at the moment, so it was really intriguing to me. :D
I have no problem with the price of morphs. If anything, it forces me to think longer and harder about adding to my menagerie because (and I won't lie) aesthetics plays a good part in my decision to own a specific species. Obviously other factors do as well, but working to afford a more unusual look with a temperament I already like and am familiar with makes me value the investment that much more. Can I afford a Pied BP right now? Honey, I eat ramen noodles at least once a day, I'm happy I can always afford feeders for the snakes I have now. ;) But in the future, I would love to have one, and that gives me something to look forward to.
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Thank you all for welcoming me!
Yeah, I know you've all talked about it. And it's not the want or desire that we all have for these morphs, it was the "stupid expensiveness" that got to me. I just wish people would see things as an opportunity, like "I can't wait to breed my first corn snakes and sell them so I can buy more and breed them and sell them so I can buy a more expensive species and breed them and sell them so I can buy a Piebald Ball Python" instead of an envious "it's not fair, I want I want I want, gimme gimme gimme" view some people have.
I just wish people knew how easy they really do have it. Every one of us can afford one. Go up to your neighbors and ask them if they would pay you $2000 to paint their house. Charge $20 to mow people's lawns and get your whole neighborhood on a weekly schedule. Get a small business loan from your bank or bring your idea to a financial investment firm for the starting capital to buy your first Piebald and Hets to breed with.
There's so much opportunity in this country; I hate to see it taken for granted. People die in shipping containers trying to make it here. There's some illegal aliens who come to my work and sell tamales and burritos by the hundreds everyday that they spend all morning making. They know what real opportunity means... why do you think they come here?
All it takes is hard work. I'm not calling anyone in this forum lazy, lol. I'm just saying some people would rather watch "The Benefactor" for an hour, a reality show about screwing people over to get a million dollars, and wish they were on the show than go out and walk their neighbor's dogs (and charge accordingly).
Just... I'm begging. Don't envy the privileged. They worked hard to be where they are.
I guess I'm ranting. But thank you for reading it, lol. UberAlice, you're welcome for the genetics site. I worked so long on that. I must have asked two dozen people their thoughts on it and made sure they had no questions by the end of it. How did you find it?
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Thanks, msolorz. ;)
Bait, I actually found it searching for "snake genetics" on Google so I could explain the het/homo idea to a poster on this thread. It was one of the first pages up, and I thought it was excellent so I passed it on.
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Where is the place where it cost 550$ for a good piebald? because I am saving up for 2 years and that equals 960$ so I wanna get one when Im done saving.....do they have a website? PLEASE tell me fast!
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the ads for 550.00 are for 100% het for pied males. they are on the kingsnake.com website. these are normal looking bp that have the piebald genes. females will cost 2-3 times that. bp that are visual piebalds run from 4k-10k
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vaughn
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I have two 50%HET male brothers that I am going to breed next year. I still wont know until I can breed them back to their daughters when they are big enough to do so. So, I am looking at MINIMUM 4years of feeding, housing, cleaning-up, and caring for before I will know for sure what I've got! Isn't there a DNA test that can be run or something?!?
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