Dealing with suspicious breeders

That's though man! You obviously can't trust anything this guy is telling you. Do you have any kind of paper trail that you paid him money for goods that you didn't receive? I know 2500$ isn't really worth getting a lawyer involved but you may have some ground if you have any proof. He may just need a little push with the law to get him to give you your money back. At this point I don't think you should keep any hopes of getting a snake from him. Personally I wouldn't want one from him even if he had one after all the crap he put you through.

Ok thing is he agreed to the payment plan so he can't use that against you. You have it paid in full. If he cannot provide you with what you paid for then he needs to issue a refund. You might want to take it to the BOI at this point.

He cannot refuse you a refund. He agreed to a payment plan, had no terms that said a refund would not be given, and was expected to give you goods that he has now failed to give you. He has two options. You need to tell him that he either refunds you your money right now, or you will get a lawyer and take him to court. You would win. Hands down. Especially if you have any sort of paper trail (emails, receipt of payment, etc). How did you pay him, if you don't mind my asking? You need to contact whatever institute you used, whether it was a Bank or PayPal, and explain to them what happened. Most of them should work with you.

Pretty sure that him holding your money without rendering the goods paid for is illegal. Just saying.

You do have proof that you paid it all??

I use email transfer for a portion of it and I believe PayPal for some. It's been a while I need to look through my emails.

But it I have email history that show him acknowledging receiving my payment

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Originally Posted by threezero

and yes did not go thought a credit card, he doesn't accept credit card. Now I know why...

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Hmmm...I found what I believe is their website: http://www.omegapythons.com/index.html And this claims that they DO indeed take credit cards, as well as PayPal and money transfers. (Not trying to say you're wrong - just playing a little bit of Devil's Advocate and trying to see what information this breeder puts online.)

Their website says nothing about the supposed disaster that is supposed to have happened to their breeding facility. Makes me wonder what kind of reply any of us would get if we were to message them about their snakes.

I still stand by what I said before. They should offer you a refund. Not a doubt in my mind.

Also his "collection" lists a Citrus Pastel Spector and a Spector YB Enchi Fire Pastel but nothing on this proven breeder he is offering you either.
Depending on the distance, I would be riding in for collections. :salute:

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Originally Posted by RockNRollProcelain

Hmmm...I found what I believe is their website: http://www.omegapythons.com/index.html And this claims that they DO indeed take credit cards, as well as PayPal and money transfers. (Not trying to say you're wrong - just playing a little bit of Devil's Advocate and trying to see what information this breeder puts online.)

Their website says nothing about the supposed disaster that is supposed to have happened to their breeding facility. Makes me wonder what kind of reply any of us would get if we were to message them about their snakes.

I still stand by what I said before. They should offer you a refund. Not a doubt in my mind.

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Interesting. I may have not even ask about credit card or choose not to use credit card in the beginning. Bad call on my end :(
i did use PayPal. But it's been so long I doubt PayPal would help me in any ways...
and yes no mention on his website!!!!!!!

I have reply him asking for a refund again. Let see where this will take me. Where can I post about this to warn ther ppl and maybe force him to return my money to save his reputation(which is already not very good from what i can gather from google). At this point I'm glad to get any money back.

I would say to definitely post about this on Fauna Classifieds. They have a section about reviewing breeders and such.

As for getting your money back, if you used PayPal for all of the money transactions, call them and explain what happened. You'll never know if they can help you until you talk to them. They do have information about this in their FAQ, with How-To's. I would suggest following these steps with PayPal. This will show the breeder that you are serious, and PayPal will help you fight the battle.:

Items not received or a potential fraudulent seller
If you sent a payment but haven’t received what you paid for, or believe the seller to be fraudulent, you should visit our Resolution Center. We’ve developed several programs to help protect you, and opening a dispute is the first step to help get your problem resolved. Here’s how:

1. Log in to your PayPal account.
2. Click Resolution Center near the top of the page.
3. Click Dispute a Transaction.
4. Select either Item dispute or Unauthorized transaction, depending on the nature of your dispute.
5. Follow the directions.

I remember reading on Fauna paypal won't help with live animal transactions anyways.