Just a thought....................

I don't see it ever happening. Normals are almost always a by-product of almost any breeding (except supers). They will never be close to eliminated

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Originally Posted by ratfink721

i am new to breeding BPs. i was wondering if i bred my fire male to my normal female. would there be a chance of me getting some fire females out of the clutch?

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u should get half and half ... as far as gender could be male or female ...


as far as the topic .. if it wasnt for norms i would of never got into bp's .. i just remeber being little and always seeing bp's in the pet shop and being amazed and they were just norms ..so im always gonna have love for them .. but yea if ur producing so many clutchs a years and get stuck with so many norms its gotta be a pain .. but its part of the game

normals have some immaterial value in that every healthy BP deserves the same kind of respect and care, and every healthy BP has he potential to be a really great pet that people can become really attached to. in that sense they are all valuable, morph or not.


but when talking about MONETARY value, its still correct to say that they are worth next to nothing. so when some people say things like "normals are worthless" or "try breeding normals first, that way you wont lose much when it doesnt work out", and other people get upset, maybe its just a misunderstanding?

and to say that for breeding, normals are worthless, is also quite correct. it may sound rude, but that doesnt make it untrue. the thing is that for normals, big exporters in Ghana or Benin pretty much set the global market price. and that price is just too low for any breeder that requires heat tape and thermostats and incubators and who has to pay employees 15 dollars per hour to compete with. you need to sell combos and morphs at premium prices in order to break even. depending on how efficient a breeder oprates, every normal hatched may imply an immediate financial loss, so they try their best to avoid it by breeding morph combo to morph combo.

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Originally Posted by ratfink721

i am new to breeding BPs. i was wondering if i bred my fire male to my normal female. would there be a chance of me getting some fire females out of the clutch?

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Yes. you would get 1/2 Normals and 1/2 Fire. Now as for sex of the babies, that would just be a dice roll, no telling what you would get.

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Originally Posted by Misha

You make it seem like people should throw their normals in the trash just because they're not making money off of them. That's pretty disgusting.

I had a breeder told me at a reptile show that I should buy a couple normals to breed on my first run so if I screw up, I wouldn't feel bad. What's wrong with you people? I'd feel equally bad if I kill a forty dollar snake or a four hundred dollar snake.

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I love entertaining comments like this that seem to not understand my original post.:rofl::rofl:
As much as you think you love your normals (don't twist what I type because I have my share of normal that I wont let go of either) you also need to step away from you hobby choice and look at it from a business point of view. I love breeding, raising up little ones costs the same regardless if its a normal or a ?? morph. Whats the smart choice?

Why is it so hard for people to look from another point of view, society in general is so self-centered but that's for a different post.
Now back on topic. Which was at what point do you think their value will increase?

I posted this just for fun because I know at some point with the amount of multi gene snakes, there is going to be a point where someone will want to prove exactly whats in it. Especially with some of the genes that are so subtle or my favorite with all the "new" claims that just plain look like another morph that already exists.

dam pitt idk .. my opion they will never go up .. way to many of them

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I posted this just for fun because I know at some point with the amount of multi gene snakes, there is going to be a point where someone will want to prove exactly whats in it. Especially with some of the genes that are so subtle or my favorite with all the "new" claims that just plain look like another morph that already exists.

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thats true, and some breeders hang on to a few normals just for that reason. and some breeders like to sometimes add some fresh african genetics to keep the gene pool healthy. but even then, something like 5% normals in the collection should be enough for that.

but if the need arises to prove something out because the genetics are getting too complicated, you could always use something like a super mojave or super pastel to prove it out. or, even better, just breed it to a recessive like an albino or hypo or clown or something, that allows you to sort out the genetics, but as a bonus they will all be 100% het.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

but if the need arises to prove something out because the genetics are getting too complicated, you could always use something like a super mojave or super pastel to prove it out. or, even better, just breed it to a recessive like an albino or hypo or clown or something, that allows you to sort out the genetics, but as a bonus they will all be 100% het.

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Well kick me in the butt LoL
I honestly never had that thought run through my head.
I think you just made the normal breeding value go down more now. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
All honestly though, This would be the smarter move.

I don't think you will see the price of Normals move at all. Supply and demand dictates the price. They are a huge pet trade. Heck, my first bp was a 1.0 Normal. I still have him. He's 2 years old and a whopping 500g.

My 0.6 Normals are invaluable. I acquired all of them as adults by trade, or paid no more than $100. Throw a double or triple at them and sit back.
I do not hold back Normal females..... it costs more to raise them for 2 years than to just buy adults. I wholesale all my Normal hatchlings for $15.

I know breeders who hold Normal hatchlings for shows by the dozen and sell them out of a 10 gallon tank. They pay the hotel/food bills.

My best advice to anyone starting out is to buy 10 Normal females or maybe even 10 Pastel females for a bit more and raise them up as breeders. 0.1 Pastels can easily be had for $50 each as hatchlings and go for $400+ as adults. You will never see that with Normals and you get the extra Pastel gene for $25 more than a Normal. I do not ever see replacing my 0.6 Normals or 0.6 Pastels when I know they will bring me good eggs.

Basically what I am saying is.... yes, Normals are valuable in breeding, but I don't think their price will budge at all, UNLESS importing restrictions have an impact on the supply from Africa.

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

I do not ever see replacing my 0.6 Normals or 0.6 Pastels when I know they will bring me good eggs.

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Quick spin to jack my own thread because I can................................
Good eggs is the key as well as larger clutches.
Would you still keep the 3 or 4 egger??