Re: Jeremy Stone and Sister in jail
Here's a screen shot from the Princess Diamond page at BoaConstrictor.com. (I have a feeling that this page won't remain online long.)
http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/...psdaee9332.png
...and here's a video, for however long that lasts.
http://youtu.be/VnofvOEwyFw
Re: Jeremy Stone and Sister in jail
You would advocate for the guy losing his livelihood along with the livelihoods of his family and his employees? THAT seems extreme to me. This is a business that many other people rely upon to make their living at, not just Jeremy's personal hobby
Really. So you believe that if a businessman does something illegal that the business shouldn't suffer? Sorry mate but committing a crime is still a crime, and if he hasn't taken the necessary steps to protect his business and employees then it sucks for all them. Having known Jeremy for many years it doesn't surprise me. And he definitely tried to defraud not only the Brazilians but also the Americans. He should have thought this one through a lot better. Testing and trying out ways to smuggle this animal shows intent enough to get him 5-10 years federal pen
Re: Jeremy Stone and Sister in jail
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Originally Posted by
KMG
I didn't say it was right. If he did it then there should be consequences. I just don't think years in prison is the answer.
He got a snake, bred it, and sold its offspring(allegedly). I dont think this is a bigger issue than drug smugglers bringing in their products and killing people with poison. It was not a dangerous animal and from what we know he has not harmed anybody. I just personally know how turds keep getting low to no jail time for major crimes against others so I dont think this is anywhere close to that and he should not serve major time.
Again, if he broke the law he should pay. I just want it to be fair.
(Allegedly) . that is not an allegation. It has happened I have seen the offspring and know many were sold.
How do you compare drug smuggling to animal smuggling?
The low to no jail time normally only happens if they make a deal. Rat or snitch on bigger fish... And our prison system contradicts your statement. Over 40% of prisoners are serving time for this drug dealing, smuggling, or drug related offenses.
His crimes are great. His crime isn't selling drugs. It is defrauding the USA government the Brazilian government. We have many laws about this sort of thing.
The court will decide his punishments.
Its unfortunate that his crimes now will reflect on our hobby/industry
Re: Jeremy Stone and Sister in jail
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Originally Posted by
Rob_D
Really. So you believe that if a businessman does something illegal that the business shouldn't suffer? Sorry mate but committing a crime is still a crime, and if he hasn't taken the necessary steps to protect his business and employees then it sucks for all them. Having known Jeremy for many years it doesn't surprise me. And he definitely tried to defraud not only the Brazilians but also the Americans. He should have thought this one through a lot better. Testing and trying out ways to smuggle this animal shows intent enough to get him 5-10 years federal pen
Well my former CEO is in jail right now, I'm glad you weren't the judge or I'd be out of a job along with thousands of my co-workers. If you think the employees should suffer for their bosses crimes you're nuts.
Re: Jeremy Stone and Sister in jail
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Originally Posted by
MarkS
Well my former CEO is in jail right now, I'm glad you weren't the judge or I'd be out of a job along with thousands of my co-workers. If you think the employees should suffer for their bosses crimes you're nuts.
Whether or not his business goes under likely will depend on how it's organized. A corporation or LLC can bring on a new CEO, members, shareholders, etc. and continue to operate. If this guy was running as a sole proprietor, which I suspect is the case given his public filings with the state of Utah, then the business is going under - which he should have considered before smuggling the snake.
I'm a business owner in a very tightly regulated industry, and while I don't agree with most of the laws and regulations I won't put my freedom or my family's financial security on the line by violating them.
Re: Jeremy Stone and Sister in jail
I am saddened by the very negative allegations and wish his family all the best. This is terrible news for the community and hopefully there will not be an overreaction until a court ruling has been made and both sides are able to present their case.
Sent from a happy snake owner.
Re: Jeremy Stone and Sister in jail
Look at all these people blowing the whistle of the system like it's there to work for them. Keep clinging to that notion. A lot of bus drivers in here. I needed a good laugh. ;)
Re: Jeremy Stone and Sister in jail
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Originally Posted by
Rob_D
(Allegedly) . that is not an allegation. It has happened I have seen the offspring and know many were sold.
How do you compare drug smuggling to animal smuggling?
The low to no jail time normally only happens if they make a deal. Rat or snitch on bigger fish... And our prison system contradicts your statement. Over 40% of prisoners are serving time for this drug dealing, smuggling, or drug related offenses.
His crimes are great. His crime isn't selling drugs. It is defrauding the USA government the Brazilian government. We have many laws about this sort of thing.
He is innocent until proven guilty in court. No matter what you see online that appears to be evidence it does not make him automatically guilty. This is America. You also really don't know the means in which he got this snake into the states. Maybe he found a way that he is not linked to. Without being able to prove that he was directly involved it will be hard to get a conviction on all charges because he will probably claim he was a victim of the person who sold him the snake who is now no where to be found. Have just one person on a jury that has been a victim of a scam and there goes your case.
I see your point that he might have defrauded the US and Brazil. But drug dealers defraud the US everyday. Have you ever heard of a drug dealer paying taxes? I bet most drug dealers make much more than most snake breeders yet they don't pay taxes. How many million dollar dope deals happen each day with no taxes ever paid. I think that's a bigger issue than a snake without proper paper work. Do we know if he paid the import tax on the snake and only used fake paperwork to get the snake in the US? If he declared it as a snake and paid the tax the only issue is the point of origin and fake documents. I just don't see this as the big crime against America as you seem to believe it is. But maybe I don't know all the facts, do you?
Sure the times he was stopped with his wife wearing a fake belly looks bad but are you sure it will be allowed in to the court. If he has a good lawyer he should go to work immediately trying to get it thrown out as evidence. We cant say for sure what they were going to do because we just don't know.
The prisons do not contradict my statement. Yes America has a huge drug problem and many people go to prison for drug charges. Just because you say 40% are there for drugs does not mean anything. How many of those 40% are serving long sentences for drugs on a first offense, second or even third offence? That was my point not the amount of people in prison for drugs but instead the amount of time the stay.
I come into contact with people like this past weeks winner. 28 year old with 34 arrest for dope and guess what I find him doing again, dealing dope. How many chances do people need? Why should police continually arrest the same people over and over putting their lives on the line each time for the same work they have already done before?
In the lines you quoted from me I said I didn't say drug dealers, I said turds committing major crimes against others get low to no jail time. I do think drugs are a major problem and many times get short sentences but was thinking more of major crimes like robbery, rape, and murder when I wrote that. I think anybody who murdered somebody should not be out of prison while they are still young yet I run across guys that are out of prison with not just one but a few murder charges in their criminal history. I once had a man fight me over drugs that I later found out was a prison gang hitman. He had three convictions for murder and one of those were from in prison. How many people had he killed that we don't know about? Would he have killed me if I lost the fight? Why is this person out of prison? Should he be? I don't think so.
I see it on a daily basis. Young guys out on a robbery charge that did less than a year, sometimes just a couple months. This is not because they flipped or worked as a confidential informant its just what is happening. I think less than a year for a robbery is low but you may not. At one point down here we had a judge giving drug charges a sentence of drug rehab and/or drug education classes. Sounds pretty good right? No jail, just a program or class. Im even good with this is certain cases. However he was giving this same sentences to the drug dealers and even had one drug dealer stand up in court and say he didn't use drugs and only sold them but the judge told him the sentence stood. That not right? That doesnt fix anything?
If you think this guy should be thrown under the prison, that's fine. Maybe he should and if I had all the evidence in front of me I might agree. However just from what limited information I know of his crime I don't see any reason why this could not be settled with fines and fees. Im sure the fines are rather large and will do the US much more good than paying to house him in a nice federal prison.
Plenty of people have gotten off of charges that appeared to be a slam dunk in America. You never know what twist a case might take and what the actual facts are until after the trial. I say the things I do having a different mind set than many because of my personal experience with criminals. It may not be the norm and Im only sharing my opinion. I just wanted to give you a better idea of where Im coming from.
