Genetics guarantees?

I plan to start breeding in the next three years (girls gotta grow) and I often think about guarantees, disclaimers, agreements, etc. For hets I decided to offer two year guarantee and if they do not proove out then I'll take back the snake in exchange for store credit or a similar animal of the buyer's choice. In order for the guarantee to apply they must have evidence of locks, mom on eggs, slugs, pipping, etc. If I have any doubt if a snake is 100% het then it is marketed as a normal only.

Of course I reserve the right to challenge the buyer's claim if I smell fishy business!

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

I was just trying to keep things simple here guys..... no parthenogenesis, no poss hets, no 66%s, no retained sperm, etc... just real clean cut questions about what breeders would do/have done re: handling a genetics guarantee they made. Im also assuming that parthenogenesis is an EXTREMELY rare occurence....


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It's tricky, as a buyer I'm going to be quite upset that I put that much time and effort into an animal that doesn't prove out. But if I then look on the BOI and see that in the intervening years (assuming I purchased the animal as a hatchling) you still have a sterling reputation (because I sure as heck would have checked to begin with), I'm a lot more likely to chalk it up to "just one of those things," and likely be satisfied with a credit of the original purchase price toward a new animal (because you were so nice about the whole thing I would buy from you again, and I would be telling my friends how nice you were about it as well). This is assuming at I as the person trying to breed the animal have very detailed records and photos etc. that satisfy you that I haven't just screwed up and there's nothing fishy going on.

If we're talking about a het purchased as an adult, espcially a "proven" one, I'd probably give it two seasons (assuming it was paired w. a visual, and am again speaking as the theoretical buyer). At that point I'd probably be wanting to return the animal, and because it was probably a rather expensive purchase I'd be looking for at least a partial credit toward something else.

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Originally Posted by shadowsnakes

I plan to start breeding in the next three years (girls gotta grow) and I often think about guarantees, disclaimers, agreements, etc. For hets I decided to offer two year guarantee and if they do not proove out then I'll take back the snake in exchange for store credit or a similar animal of the buyer's choice. In order for the guarantee to apply they must have evidence of locks, mom on eggs, slugs, pipping, etc. If I have any doubt if a snake is 100% het then it is marketed as a normal only.

Of course I reserve the right to challenge the buyer's claim if I smell fishy business!

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I think I would move it to something like a 4 or 5 year guarantee. Most females aren't even ready to breed by 2 years old so how can you prove out a het if they haven't been given the opportunity to breed? Just something to consider.



What I plan on doing with regards to hets is that all my VISUAL recessives will be females (I've already planned on getting a female lavender albino/albino as well as a clown). The only exception to this is that I have a het pied girl. She's only going to a visual pied male so no chance of retained sperm (She's only 400g).

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Originally Posted by SquamishSerpents

IMO bad odds in that case makes far more sense than parthenogenesis

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with the only 3 males bred to her had super pastels in them. it's not bad odds. the very least that should of hatched would of been pastels.

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

I was just trying to keep things simple here guys.....:( no parthenogenesis, no poss hets, no 66%s, no retained sperm, etc... just real clean cut questions about what breeders would do/have done re: handling a genetics guarantee they made. Im also assuming that parthenogenesis is an EXTREMELY rare occurence....

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then the only reason you would need a photo I.D. is that the breeder is dishonest. and that photo I.D. wouldn't be worth the paper that it was printed on.
photo I.D. is to protect not only the buyer from a mistake as listed in some of the post. but also the breeder from the buyer switching snakes. I give photo I.D's even on a phantom that's not het for anything to protect myself. when a customer comes to me with a problem with a snake that's from me. I want to make it right with that customer.

crystal, this was a good post. some of the post was a little off of what you was asking but still related as for reasons. you got a good number of response to your post, something that's been lacking lately on a few forums. merry Christmas don

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Originally Posted by don15681

then the only reason you would need a photo I.D. is that the breeder is dishonest. and that photo I.D. wouldn't be worth the paper that it was printed on.
photo I.D. is to protect not only the buyer from a mistake as listed in some of the post. but also the breeder from the buyer switching snakes. I give photo I.D's even on a phantom that's not het for anything to protect myself. when a customer comes to me with a problem with a snake that's from me. I want to make it right with that customer.

crystal, this was a good post. some of the post was a little off of what you was asking but still related as for reasons. you got a good number of response to your post, something that's been lacking lately on a few forums. merry Christmas don

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Thanks! ;)

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The value of a guarantee is directly proportional to how invested in the hobby the breeder is.
The guarantee of someone I've never heard of is virtually worthless, they may be the most honest person on the planet but, at the end of the day the guarantee is only their word.
But, with a well known breeder, if issues should arise where maybe a mistake was made, then I think you have a better chance of resolving the issue amicably.
I will be producing 100% hets with any luck next season and those I don't keep will have to be sold as either normals or any codom/dom expressed genes because of this. I will inform buyers of the 100% status of their animal and for what gene but, I cannot reasonably expect more money because of that.