Fires?????

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Originally Posted by bcr229

If I had to guess, it's due to higher demand from breeders for that animal because when you breed a super-fire that parent will always throw a fire gene into the babies. OTOH if you bred a BEL from a lesser x mohave pairing there's a chance, however small, that neither gene will make it into any particular baby.

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lesser x mojo BELs are allelic, so whatever you breed that BEL to, everything will either be lesser or mojo. you won't get any normals.

just my opinion:

if you want to go into breeding, starting with male single-gene fire and female single-gene fire will make it really really hard (impossible?) to break even on cost, it would be strictly hobby breeding. also dont underestimate the time it takes, your time has value, if you take that into consideration it would make more sense to invest more in the snakes you want to breed. if you put a price tag on the hours of work that go into it, lets say minimum wage, i guess it makes more sense to start with, lets say, two nice females for 300 each and one nice male for 600.

if you really want to get into breeding, then especially the male single-gene fire will get really useless really quickly. given the costs involved and the time and effort, a 100 dollar male is not something you want to breed.

if you want a black eye lucy super fire, the cheapest way is to buy one. its 1000 or lower for a male, and buying a pair of fires for 300 and breeding them will not be cheaper in the end.

if you insist on producing your own super fire AND want to breed in such a way that you have a chance of recouping some of the costs and getting nice clutches, get two fire female hatchlings. and one year later, buy a double gene or even triple gene male hatchling, obviously with fire in it, and breed him to both females.

these are just suggestions, im not telling you what to do, its just that buying a pair for 300 (the female is worth more so its a 100/200 or 120/180 split) for breeding is a guaranteed way to lose money, especially if you do it right and dot cut corners, and you will likely lose more than the 800-1000 dollars a male super fire costs now. by the time you hit a second super fire to sell, prices for a super fire will be much lower, maybe something like 500 dollars. not enough to recoup your investments in thermostats, incubator, hatchling rack, food, electricity.


i plan on getting into BP breeding, but i will resist the temptation until i moved and have enough space for it, also i will not start before i saved up at least 2000 euros (2500 dollars). and i figured that budget is the lower boundary to get into it when starting small with 2 females and one male, with nice equipment and without cutting corners and with money for vet visits.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

just my opinion:

if you want to go into breeding, starting with male single-gene fire and female single-gene fire will make it really really hard (impossible?) to break even on cost, it would be strictly hobby breeding. also dont underestimate the time it takes, your time has value, if you take that into consideration it would make more sense to invest more in the snakes you want to breed. if you put a price tag on the hours of work that go into it, lets say minimum wage, i guess it makes more sense to start with, lets say, two nice females for 300 each and one nice male for 600.

if you really want to get into breeding, then especially the male single-gene fire will get really useless really quickly. given the costs involved and the time and effort, a 100 dollar male is not something you want to breed.

if you want a black eye lucy super fire, the cheapest way is to buy one. its 1000 or lower for a male, and buying a pair of fires for 300 and breeding them will not be cheaper in the end.

if you insist on producing your own super fire AND want to breed in such a way that you have a chance of recouping some of the costs and getting nice clutches, get two fire female hatchlings. and one year later, buy a double gene or even triple gene male hatchling, obviously with fire in it, and breed him to both females.

these are just suggestions, im not telling you what to do, its just that buying a pair for 300 (the female is worth more so its a 100/200 or 120/180 split) for breeding is a guaranteed way to lose money, especially if you do it right and dot cut corners, and you will likely lose more than the 800-1000 dollars a male super fire costs now. by the time you hit a second super fire to sell, prices for a super fire will be much lower, maybe something like 500 dollars. not enough to recoup your investments in thermostats, incubator, hatchling rack, food, electricity.


i plan on getting into BP breeding, but i will resist the temptation until i moved and have enough space for it, also i will not start before i saved up at least 2000 euros (2500 dollars). and i figured that budget is the lower boundary to get into it when starting small with 2 females and one male, with nice equipment and without cutting corners and with money for vet visits.

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Wow this is really fantastic advise.... I think I will get the fire female and maybe get a multi gene male latter.... Hmmm this whole thread has given me a lot to think about...

I feel like I should note that I am, above all, a hobbyist. I keep pythons because I like to, the way I think about it, I will never recoup my loses by breeding or otherwise, I consider that money gone. I keep herps in my off time, as a leisure activity, because I love the animals. if I make a buck, cool. If I don't, whatever.