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Re: butter/lesser
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Originally Posted by Tannerrrtx
But butter being a separate line, doesn't that make it separate from lesser. Making it a separate gene?
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Different Lines = Different Bloodline/Family/Pedigree
Same mutation though.
Example, German line of Doberman Pinschers vs American line. Two different lineages, but same breed of dog.
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Just think of the Kardashians...there are different lines of Kardashian, but they're all the same basic mutation...except for Bruce...he looks like he might be het for scaleless...:confusd:
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Re: butter/lesser
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Originally Posted by sho220
Just think of the Kardashians...there are different lines of Kardashian, but they're all the same basic mutation...except for Bruce...he looks like he might be het for scaleless...:confusd:
bahahahaha
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Re: butter/lesser
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Re: butter/lesser
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Originally Posted by Tannerrrtx
But butter being a separate line, doesn't that make it separate from lesser. Making it a separate gene?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747
As others have said, nope. Presumably all of the morphs in the BEL complex are mutations of the same gene: mojave, butter/lesser, mystic, phantom, het russo, etc. All of these have the same gene affected, it's just affected in different ways to give the various morphs. These different mutations are called alleles. So the BEL complex is just made up of different alleles of a single gene.
Yes, it can get complex. Read some of the genetics tutorials and find some online youtube lectures on mendelian genetics to get a good understanding. Especially if you ever want to breed, a fundamental basic understanding of genetics is extremely helpful, and I would say, necessary if you want to be a competent breeder.
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what really should drive it home is that we have 3 combinations that have the same genetic issue.
super butter: sometimes small eyes / bug eyes. but many are healthy.
super lesser: sometimes small eyes / bug eyes. but many are healthy.
lesser butter: sometimes small eyes / bug eyes. but many are healthy.
no other combinations in the BEL complex show that issue.
now WHAT CAN YOU DEDUCE FROM THIS, THINK HARD, GET YOUR DEDUCTIVE SKILLS ONLINE. No other BEL combos are known to exhibit this genetic issue. FOCUS, what does it mean when lesser butters not only look like super lessers or super butters, but even have the same genetic issues? And when no other BEL combos have that issue?
You decide. Take the two hemispheres you have and rub them together and figure it out.
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Re: butter/lesser
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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps
As others have said, nope. Presumably all of the morphs in the BEL complex are mutations of the same gene: mojave, butter/lesser, mystic, phantom, het russo, etc. All of these have the same gene affected, it's just affected in different ways to give the various morphs. These different mutations are called alleles. So the BEL complex is just made up of different alleles of a single gene.
Yes, it can get complex. Read some of the genetics tutorials and find some online youtube lectures on mendelian genetics to get a good understanding. Especially if you ever want to breed, a fundamental basic understanding of genetics is extremely helpful, and I would say, necessary if you want to be a competent breeder.
I am very sorry but i have to say it as i see it: This is not true and it implies that you do not really understand evolution by natural selection. And also you do not really understand evolution driven by human / artificial selection. The different morphs in the BEL complex are on the same chromosome and they are close to each other or even all at the same place. But they do different things. Its not the same gene. It is just all located at roughly the same place on one chromosome.
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Re: butter/lesser
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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend
I am very sorry but i have to say it as i see it: This is not true and it implies that you do not really understand evolution by natural selection. And also you do not really understand evolution driven by human / artificial selection. The different morphs in the BEL complex are on the same chromosome and they are close to each other or even all at the same place. But they do different things. Its not the same gene. It is just all located at roughly the same place on one chromosome.
There is no evidence of any of the morphs in the BEL complex not being the same gene, I mean gene as in the real definition not the laymen way we normally use it. They are all alleles which by definition is a variation of the same gene. The only morphs we know of that appear to be even being remotely close but not alleles are leopard and pied.
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butter/lesser
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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend
I am very sorry but i have to say it as i see it: This is not true and it implies that you do not really understand evolution by natural selection. And also you do not really understand evolution driven by human / artificial selection. The different morphs in the BEL complex are on the same chromosome and they are close to each other or even all at the same place. But they do different things. Its not the same gene. It is just all located at roughly the same place on one chromosome.
All evidence points to mutations on the same gene. The BEL complex is just a bunch of different alleles. Not different genes. I am unaware of any evidence to the contrary.
And if you disagree, please enlighten us to how it makes sense for it to be a bunch of different genes that are linked rather than a bunch of alleles.
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Re: butter/lesser
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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend
I am very sorry but i have to say it as i see it: This is not true and it implies that you do not really understand evolution by natural selection. And also you do not really understand evolution driven by human / artificial selection. The different morphs in the BEL complex are on the same chromosome and they are close to each other or even all at the same place. But they do different things. Its not the same gene. It is just all located at roughly the same place on one chromosome.
If they're not affecting the same gene... Can you have a snake that is a super lesser super butter super mojo? If the answer is 'no', then they are affected the same gene, just as with corn snakes and ultra & amel, motley & stripe, and hypo & strawberry.
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