Serendipity the Suriname, my first boa

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Originally Posted by DestinyLynette

someone on my FB (though he admits to specializing in Retics, not boas) said she "looked weird", like her tail was a bit lighter than normal or something or she didn't look pure... thoughts?

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Originally Posted by DestinyLynette

He's suggesting she's BCI not BCC based on speckling (saying Surinames tend to be cleaner) and that BCI have the "same king of band"..
He's suggesting she's BCI not BCC based on speckling (saying Surinames tend to be cleaner) and that BCI have the "same king of band"..

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This is why I asked if you had photos of the parents...I do see Suri/BCC influence in her but my first thoughts was that your girl didn't look like a pure Suri (Suri to Suri breeding) and looks like a BCI/BCC cross.

Most BCCs/Suris (but not all) have peaked saddles while most (but again, not all) BCIs have dished saddles. {} (peaked) vs. )( (dished)

Tail color varies: I've seen some Suri babies with deep red tails (some almost looking black because they're so red) to very bright red/orange. But yes, the saddles and tail color did make me think the above (she's a posssible BCI/BCC cross). As far as Suris being cleaner: not all Suris are, some can be very peppered.

Edit: do you have pics of her head from the side view? BCCs will have differently shaped heads/facial markers than Colombians/BCIs.

Okay so should I pursue the seller then? He them listed as Suriname and specifically has the BCC scientific name.

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps82e0250d.jpg

Here is the seller page: http://www.snakesatsunset.com/surina...r-constrictor/

The baby pictured doesn't look like mine but says: The animal pictured is a very good example of high widow peaked Surinames boas. We don't have any more like this but have similar with great coloring available.

Here are some better shots, including of her pattern... a few brackets in the dish, and connecting saddles here and there... I dunno.

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps9ccd8f4b.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps33d42e32.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/x...psf72766e8.jpg

She doesn't look like a pure suri to me. I thought she looked like a cross too. I think it looks like there is some influence, and she is really pretty, but I don't think she's pure.

The colors and the markings just look off.

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Originally Posted by DestinyLynette

Okay so should I pursue the seller then? He them listed as Suriname and specifically has the BCC scientific name.

Here is the seller page: http://www.snakesatsunset.com/surina...r-constrictor/

The baby pictured doesn't look like mine but says: The animal pictured is a very good example of high widow peaked Surinames boas. We don't have any more like this but have similar with great coloring available.

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I would bring up my concerns with the seller, but it's up to you. Is she still a beautiful little boa that should make a wonderful pet regardless of her background though? Yes! I feel it wouldn't hurt to ask about photos of the parents and the parent's backgrounds though as in my personal opinion, she is not 100% Suri. Do I see Suri/BCC influence in her though? Yes.

Some Suris can have the dished saddles, but I just don't see 100% BCC in this girl.

Also, Fauna is down for me but I would search that seller on the Board of Inquiry: the name sounds familiar but I can't recall for sure what I read on them.

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

This is why I asked if you had photos of the parents...I do see Suri/BCC influence in her but my first thoughts was that your girl didn't look like a pure Suri (Suri to Suri breeding) and looks like a BCI/BCC cross.

Most BCCs/Suris (but not all) have peaked saddles while most (but again, not all) BCIs have dished saddles. {} (peaked) vs. )( (dished)

Tail color varies: I've seen some Suri babies with deep red tails (some almost looking black because they're so red) to very bright red/orange. But yes, the saddles and tail color did make me think the above (she's a posssible BCI/BCC cross). As far as Suris being cleaner: not all Suris are, some can be very peppered.

Edit: do you have pics of her head from the side view? BCCs will have differently shaped heads/facial markers than Colombians/BCIs.

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I would agree with this assessment. She does appear to have some BCI influence in there. I don't know if you can really go back to the seller on this though. That is one reason we usually recommend buying BCC in particular from reputable breeders. The pet store you bought from concerns me a bit that you just pick the sex but can't see a picture first (not to mention that she arrived with mites).

But she's a very pretty snake and if you are happy with her personality, that is the most important part! :gj:

The thing is, we paid the full price for a pure BCC. I have gotten attached to her already, but I did want a pure Suri that would get to the large Suri size.. I'm not sure how I want to handle this. I don't think it was ignorance, I think it was either neglecting to look at your product or intentional mislabeling.. because they were sure to put a nice peaked baby in the picture.

I've done a BOI search, the really only "bad" thread they had was some long drama about a customer getting in and argument with them in the store. I ordered my bumblebee male from them with no problem before which is why I trusted the purchase of the BCC... That really irks me. I won't take it to the BOI yet but I kind of want something done about this.

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The thing is, we paid the full price for a pure BCC. I have gotten attached to her already, but I did want a pure Suri that would get to the large Suri size.. I'm not sure how I want to handle this. I don't think it was ignorance, I think it was either neglecting to look at your product or intentional mislabeling.. because they were sure to put a nice peaked baby in the picture.

I've done a BOI search, the really only "bad" thread they had was some long drama about a customer getting in and argument with them in the store. I ordered my bumblebee male from them with no problem before which is why I trusted the purchase of the BCC... That really irks me. I won't take it to the BOI yet but I kind of want something done about this.

Gah. I thought this too. While I am far from a boa expert, I thought saddles looked bci, not bcc. No peaks...

Eh, I'm sending him this:

Hey Mike, do you happen to have pictures of her parents? She does not look to be pure BCC / Suriname at all. I even asked for feedback from boa hobbysists and breeders, and all seem to agree she looks to be more of a BCC / BCI cross, not a true BCC.. dished saddles all over, shape, color.. Suri influence agreed upon, but everyone is seeing a BCC x BCI cross, not a true BCC, which concerns me since she was labeled as pure BCC and a pure BCC is pictured on your page. You posted that not all animals might be as highly peaked as that one, or colored, but that there were similar, but she's not- or even appears to be the listed species..

Also, she arrived with mites. Not complaining much about that, I get stuff happens when you have animals moving in and out of the store, but thought I'd give you a heads up in case she was with some of your other animals.

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Originally Posted by DestinyLynette

Eh, I'm sending him this:

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I think this is reasonable.