Scale-less BP photo!

New is always scary. Let see how it goes. It`s just another morph, and its a nice one.

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Originally Posted by rafacacho

New is always scary. Let see how it goes. It`s just another morph, and its a nice one.

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This is NOT just another morph!
This is a man made Evolutionary jump. If it was a morph as you say,
it would appear in nature and not the Incubator.

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Originally Posted by snakeman13

This is NOT just another morph!
This is a man made Evolutionary jump. If it was a morph as you say,
it would appear in nature and not the Incubator.

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Errrr....

The scaleless head came from the wild - this is just the superform. There is no reason to assume it hasn't happened in the wild or couldn't again in the future.

It's not like they made it in a lab.

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Originally Posted by snakeman13

This is NOT just another morph!
This is a man made Evolutionary jump. If it was a morph as you say,
it would appear in nature and not the Incubator.

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It DID appear in nature. Brian handpicked the parents from an African batch of BPs that had scaleless heads.

" this is just the super form "

Exactly!
It was bred to produce the super.
What are the chances in the wild that the scales head would breed, then rebreed to an offspring to produce the super?
Can you calculate that high?

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Originally Posted by snakeman13

This is NOT just another morph!
This is a man made Evolutionary jump. If it was a morph as you say,
it would appear in nature and not the Incubator.

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umm, adult scaleless snakes of 2 different species were discovered in nature, i dont remember the species because it was something venomous.

but i agree with the sentiment.... its a very very extreme morph. more extreme than the morph issues we are used to, like the occasional wobble or duckbill or eye issues. if these really always have the issue of missing heat pits and missing belly scales all the time, thats huge compared to other morph issues because it really affects the BP.

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" this is just the super form "

Exactly!
It was bred to produce the super.
What are the chances in the wild that the scales head would breed, then rebreed to an offspring to produce the super?
Can you calculate that high?

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the chances would not be too low, because BPs dont move around too much in nature. if a clutch with 3 or 4 scaleless heads hatches in the wild, chances that two of them would mate would not be too remote. depending on how often the mutation occurs and on the population size, stuff like that would appear and die out again maybe every few decades or every few centuries.

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Originally Posted by snakeman13

" this is just the super form "

Exactly!
It was bred to produce the super.
What are the chances in the wild that the scales head would breed, then rebreed to an offspring to produce the super?
Can you calculate that high?

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same as any recessive trait, which some have been found in the wild....

So I'm pretty sure when I present my room temp rat to my snakes, it does not use it's heat pits to find it. So why is this the big topic?

"So I'm pretty sure when I present my room temp rat to my snakes, it does not use it's heat pits to find it. So why is this the big topic? "

I am pretty sure it took a while for your snake, to learn to hunt for the dead prey by scent.
I am sure in the wild their prey is live.

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Originally Posted by snakeman13

"So I'm pretty sure when I present my room temp rat to my snakes, it does not use it's heat pits to find it. So why is this the big topic? "

I am pretty sure it took a while for your snake, to learn to hunt for the dead prey by scent.
I am sure in the wild their prey is live.

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So everyone just jumping the gun assuming this snake cannot learn to eat without heat pits?
I'm pretty sure a majority of the morphs we have wouldn't survive in the wild, why is this even brought up?

Here is a different and larger pic that is now out. You can see the egg tooth if you save it and view it full size.

BHB says the animal has heat sensors, just no pits. He is also bringing at least one to NARBC Tinley Park next week for in-person viewing. Anxious to see it there!

I have been apathetic about the scaleless corns, and not a fan of scaleless beardeds, but I do like this iteration. Def lots of interesting visual possibilities!