2013 Extreme Ringer Clutch

Very nice Dave. Send them my way.

Thanks everyone!!

I posted this in the other thread but figured I should add it here:

The one thing I did prove was that the extreme ringer can't be a pied or else I wouldn't of hatched a normal looking albino. She could be het pied but that would be a stretch but still possible.

Some have suggested that the albino with the white body may be an albino champagne extreme ringer but she doesn't look like a champagne to me. If she isn't a champagne I would be pretty excited as this would be the first time I hatched a non-champagne extreme ringer.

After communicating with some other breeders and trying to figure out this clutch, I feel that the pied gene reacted with the extreme ringer "gene" to create the two white snakes. I'm sure there are other explanations but I feel that this makes the most sense; at least to me. It's hard to know for sure with one small clutch but those are my thoughts after talking with others. I could be wrong and I'm totally open to other ideas and theories.

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Originally Posted by Ladybugzcrunch

Has anyone considered that this extreme ringer is its own new gene yet not recessive. Perhaps it is a dominant gene. Kind of cool that both snakes were het albino. I think it is an extreme ringer albino baby and also think you need to select a good name for your new morph.

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I was thinkin the same thing!! If this trait keeps reproducing itself when bred to animals known to not be carrying the gene, well....

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Even if the mystery continues this is very cool :gj:

I've always thought that champagne is just a gene that's prone to extreme ringers when combined with other genes (like fire and black pastel). Just a side effect of champagne combos?

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

I've always thought that champagne is just a gene that's prone to extreme ringers when combined with other genes (like fire and black pastel). Just a side effect of champagne combos?

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True, some breeders have gotten very strong ringers when a couple/few genes were added; however, this line seems to have extreme ringers even with regular champagnes:

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...-13ERChamp.jpg

I've also talked with several breeders who've produced many more champagnes then I have, and while they've produced ringers they aren't nearly as extreme as these. I've never seen a fire champagne that looks like this:

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...ireERChamp.jpg

I do believe Brian and Pete Kahl was talking about how champagnes have effects like this sometimes and being very similar to pieds. I'll have to find the video or article, where I read this at.

I do agree with you Dave your extreme ringer champagne line is like no other, they are some awesome champs. :gj: