At what point?

http://www.omegapythons.com/Collection.html this guy has one. a gorgeous juvenile, i could imagine it might brown out quite a bit as an adult, but i would love to see an adult if anyone has one - quite the rare combo.

Glad I'm not the only one with these concerns. I'm still a noob at this, and I can see the breeding potential involved when stacking genes, but I doubt I will be getting more than a 3 gene male just to keep from having to make a thread called " Help me ID this clutch.". some of these combos just make me wonder why.

This is a very interesting topic. I agee somewhat. Imo, i guess its a "dont judge a book by its cover" kind of thing. An animal with lots of genes may look ugly, and by appearance may not look like its worth $$$$. But when you look at the animal's potential from a breeder's point of view, the possibilities of what you can create are worth it. When i saw an atomic in person, i was completely non impressed. It looked like a normal! Esp at $50,000! But when you see what the atomic gene does, it blows you away. For me personally, i can justify spending large amounts of money on animals that look like normals at first glance...I just dont dig all the "subtle normalish morphs", if you will. But a big breeder with the $$$ and the females, would consider that snake a great investment. I am just a hobby breeder. I like animals in my collection to look awesome, no matter the genes.

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I completely understand what you are saying. These are two I just picked up recently. The larger one is a 2012 enchi mojave pastel pinstripe. The smaller one is a 2013 enchi mojave pinstripe. I personally think the three gene female is a far better looking snake but the power of this four gene male is crazy. One of the females he will breed is this winter is a cinnabee. According to WOB genetic calculator there are 64 different possibilities that can result from this breeding and the chance of getting a normal is the same as hitting the six that I will not be able to identify.

i like the one with pastel in it, but i'm biased towards blond snakes. they are both gorgeous! pin tends to ugly things up pretty good too :(

The only thing that gets to mr about breeding is that done breeders are in it for the money. Yes there are some fantistic morphs out there and alot of people want to have a worlds first but at what cost. As a animal lover i couldnt do it. There are so many snakes just geting made and and pawned off when there no use to the breeder anymore. To be honest its messed up. stop thinking of ball pythons of just projects and start treating them like animals. Sorry for the rant guys. Its been eating at me for a while now.

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I completely understand what you are saying. These are two I just picked up recently. The larger one is a 2012 enchi mojave pastel pinstripe. The smaller one is a 2013 enchi mojave pinstripe. I personally think the three gene female is a far better looking snake but the power of this four gene male is crazy. One of the females he will breed is this winter is a cinnabee. According to WOB genetic calculator there are 64 different possibilities that can result from this breeding and the chance of getting a normal is the same as hitting the six that I will not be able to identify.

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Very pretty! I like both a lot but the female's bright yellow takes the win for me.

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pin tends to ugly things up pretty good too :(

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*holds Allure close* :/

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Originally Posted by jasonmcgilvrey83

The only thing that gets to mr about breeding is that done breeders are in it for the money. Yes there are some fantistic morphs out there and alot of people want to have a worlds first but at what cost. As a animal lover i couldnt do it. There are so many snakes just geting made and and pawned off when there no use to the breeder anymore. To be honest its messed up. stop thinking of ball pythons of just projects and start treating them like animals. Sorry for the rant guys. Its been eating at me for a while now.

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Not seeing how breeding a lot, or breeding for the worlds first, or for snakes with a lot of genes means they don't take good care of their snakes. Just because they bred something better (upgrading stock like we all do), doesn't mean that they're mistreating the snake by selling it to someone who will put it to use. I seriously doubt they aren't going to take good care of their animals. Breeding is a project, but of course if you want to be successful you have to put the animals first. Pretty sure all those big time or small time breeders with expensive animals are going to take very good care of them.

I generally agree with your premise, but I think it depends on your reasons for breeding in the first place. If you're actually running a business, then yes the multi gene "ugly" boys have real value. As a hobbyist or pet owner, probably less so. I personally think that breeding should be based on the aesthetic qualities of the genes involved and not simply for the sake of having more and more crammed in there (ie. are these genes likely to improve each other, or are they going to be discordant?). Of course you won't know what happens when you combine all of those things in one animal if you don't try it, but if it's ugly don't keep repeating it.

That said, if someone produces a lavender snow true ghost lesser clown, I don't care if it's hideously ugly, it's still gonna be awesome.

Sorry about the rant guys. There a guy that calls him self a breeder around here that really irritates me cause of the poor quality of care the place and snakes are in. Didnt mean to take it out on all breeders and collectors. I was just really heated.

The next question is, how do you know there's five genes in there? The only way to know is it breed to racks upon racks of females and PRODUCE each of those five genes. So, is it really a five gene?

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