Spider Head Wobble Please Read

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

My advice to people now, buy Pinstripes instead. I got rid of every spider I owned except one.

Dave

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Seriously? My advice to people, to completely ignore this ^^^ :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DooLittle

Seriously? My advice to people, to completely ignore this ^^^ :rolleyes:

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Agree
Agree
Agree!!

I love my bumblebees and my spider albino. Wouldn't trade them for anything.

And I don't like pins

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Originally Posted by asplundii

I can answer that one for you --Stochasticity.

The short version: Just because all Spiders have the same gene does not mean that gene is expressed in a 100% absolutely identical manner in every Spider. The variation in the expression level of the Spider gene, the interaction of the Spider gene product with other gene products, the variation in the level of expression of the genes whose products interact with the Spider gene... All these things combined act to create a spectrum of intensity of the wobble phenotype.

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In my dumb down understanding, epigenetics and multiple loci basically? Wouldn't it be reasonable to think at some point, it could be selectively reduced to some extent? I mean I understand there are even factors outside of genetics that can even effect genetics, asplundii we have talked enough were I think you know what I understand. I see there is an accepted word of mouth that it is completely random because "many have tried." There seems to be very little data on what the many tired to do exactly. I mean I'm guilty of the just accept it, everyone says so. Now I am questioning it, is it really even correct to say It can't be reduced? Obviously the things effecting it could just be too complex and appear random, but what do we really have to go on to say random, end story?

I produced an 8 egg clutch last year. Out of that I got 1.4 spiders 1.2 normals. The one male spider had a pretty noticeable wobble when striking, he was also the last out of the egg and had the best pattern and highest white . The other 3 girls had a very slight wobble when striking but the holdback female (cleanest pattern) had no visible wobble even when handled. So in my experience/opinion spiders can throw babies who exhibit no wobble and heavy wobbble in the same clutch.
Pairing was a normal x spider. Father was the spider and showed a slight wobble.

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Originally Posted by DooLittle

Seriously? My advice to people, to completely ignore this ^^^ :rolleyes:

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You can ignore my advice, but imagine the disappointment when you hatch a $5000 combo that has the Spider gene in it, and the snake is a train wreck. I guarantee you will look back and say, wow, maybe I should have gotten that Pin instead. I went several years without making a Spider that wobbled excessively. You might too. But, when that morph combo you have been dreaming about making for years finally becomes reality, and it is a wreck...

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

You can ignore my advice, but imagine the disappointment when you hatch a $5000 combo that has the Spider gene in it, and the snake is a train wreck. I guarantee you will look back and say, wow, maybe I should have gotten that Pin instead. I went several years without making a Spider that wobbled excessively. You might too. But, when that morph combo you have been dreaming about making for years finally becomes reality, and it is a wreck...

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I dont like pins. I do like spiders. So I will keep mine thank you.

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

You can ignore my advice, but imagine the disappointment when you hatch a $5000 combo that has the Spider gene in it, and the snake is a train wreck. I guarantee you will look back and say, wow, maybe I should have gotten that Pin instead. I went several years without making a Spider that wobbled excessively. You might too. But, when that morph combo you have been dreaming about making for years finally becomes reality, and it is a wreck...

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I'll stick to my spiders.

You stick to your pins.

But it's pretty stupid to try and tell people not to get spiders, just because YOU don't want to deal with the wobble.

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Originally Posted by DooLittle

I dont like pins. I do like spiders. So I will keep mine thank you.

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I like both, which is why I have a Spinner. :D She only wobbles slightly when stressed or excited at feeding time, and the severity is decreasing as she ages.

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Originally Posted by DooLittle

I dont like pins. I do like spiders. So I will keep mine thank you.

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I'm nuts. I've been working Spider into everything in my collection. :D

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

I'll stick to my spiders.

You stick to your pins.

But it's pretty stupid to try and tell people not to get spiders, just because YOU don't want to deal with the wobble.

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Ditto this. I adore my bee and bee morphs, and there are very few pin morphs I really like. If I produce a $5000 morph that's a train wreck, oh well, it's a risk I run- but for every $5000 morph I produce that's just beautiful in every aspect? I'll feel very blessed. You breed for the love of the snake, no matter what "train wrecks" they are. Zerok is a derp and 9/10 times will miss his prey on first, maybe second, strike, but he's still my boy and I know he'll make me some beautiful babies.