How to clean your Ball Python tank 101 quick video by me :)

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

I don't use very weak mostly inactive disinfectants. Exposing bacteria to weak mostly in active chemical disinfectants allows them to survive and reproduce with higher resistance.

" Importantly, the study showed that when very small non-lethal amounts of disinfectant were added to the bacteria in culture, the adapted bacteria were more likely to survive compared to the non-adapted bacteria. Dr Gerard Fleming, who led the study, said: “In principle this means that residue from incorrectly diluted disinfectants left on hospital surfaces could promote the growth of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. What is more worrying is that bacteria seem to be able to adapt to resist antibiotics without even being exposed to them”.
http://www.nuigalway.ie/our-research...superbugs.html

http://www.education.nh.gov/instruct...infectants.pdf



What is the contact kill time for diluted bleach you should know this!

10 minutes, common knowledge.

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Not all bacteria are equal, but you know this.

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

What is the contact kill time for diluted bleach you should know this!

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10 minutes, common knowledge.

I assume the autoclave pics are inbound?

No autoclave, but I do disinfect properly I am sorry that you feel that you need more. The fact still stands that there is DOCUMENTED , as you asked for, down sides to mis used disinfectants generate serious downsides. I have given the research you asked for that 'resistant bacteria' is not a myth and is directly linked to improper use of disinfectants. I have given articles that plainly prove that the instructions in the video are in correct and a mis use of products. (which is illegal by the way...) Now you are claiming that hospitals have different bacteria than the rest of the world and they are isolated?

I use a High level disinfectant I use it 100% correct time, dilution and pre treatment. It has a very broad effect, bactericidal, fungicidal ,virucidal ,sporicidal. I do not over use it or use weak versions it is highly effective. MRSA, Parvovirus, to name a few. Yes I am adding a tiny amount (the 1% not killed) but far less than those whom have demonstrated they don't have any idea of how to use disinfecting products. It is amazing everyone argues so strongly about a simple wash with soap and water and rinse, before disinfecting. :O

The products have instructions, follow them, why is that so hard?

You said it yourself, there are still bacteria left after your 100% proper cleaning method. That leaves some exposed to the disinfectant that weren't killed and with the reproductive rate of bacteria being so high... Would you like me to link you back to your study? It's the same thing. You can name drop infections all you like, but any disinfectant being used to clean a cage should be in the caliber that kills things like MRSA, Parvovirus, Staph and HIV. And again, you study was in a hospital where disinfectants are used ALL the time. They've already had years to adapt and are not comparable to those found in a BP tank.

Again, not killing 100% lets some survive and reproduce quickly doing exactly what you are so against. And since you never answered I'm guessing you do shower, wash your hands, brush your teeth, etc. Maybe take a look at yourself and you won't sound so hypocritical in the future.

No one here has claimed that you shouldn't follow the instructions, I said he should have multiple times :confusd:

Also please go back through your quote above and find the words could and more likely and read them into your brain as hard as you can.

So what are you arguing?

That no disinfectant should be used at all?

I am missing the point apparently.

I am arguing that posting instructions that do not use disinfectants correctly is a bad idea. apparently we agree. I stated that exposing bacteria to weak disinfectants leaves a very large open gap for mutation. The same concept of a flu shot a weak version is injected so your body can develop resistance. No it is not the same but there is a correlation to all living system they will generate a tolerance to environmental factors if introduced in small amounts. Yes, a very few survive and you are arguing that you should let large numbers survive?

Or that we should all use a bioactive system that keeps harmful bacterium balanced?

A captive system is not natural, it will generate bacteria good and bad. It is very difficult to keep such a micro system balanced and most do not have the expertise or facility to manage such a balance. That leaves a routine elimination of many bacteria harmful and helpful. This keeps harmful levels becoming excessive and effecting our animals, respiratory infection is caused by external vectors you cannot eliminate them but you can minimize them. I think that is the point.

What are you saying exactly, I get I am wrong part, lets move on, what else? Do not disinfect? It doesn't matter if you use disinfectant correctly or not? That killing most bacteria is the same as not killing any? what exactly is your point?

I'm saying that leaving a lot or leaving a little may make absolutely no difference at all. In the situation at hand they could (though highly unlikely) both produce resistant bacteria. Relative to the amount of bacteria being exposed to disinfectants that are spread around the general public this situation is so obscenely miniscule that it wouldn't even register. Plus it's also unlikely the general public or even a large volume of people will be exposed the OP's cage. It isn't as in your study, a hospital.


Disinfectant should be used, and it should be used properly. But this guy didn't need to be jumped on like that. If you're really this upset about it talk to a local medical facility, a school or visit a farm. Ask them how they do things, ask them to take down the hand sanitizer dispensers ask them to create better policies or ask them to stop putting antibiotics in the water for the livestock. These are big problems, high traffic areas. Don't jump on the poor guy, he was just trying to make a helpful video. Educate him for sure, but there's no reason for it to be like that.

Ok I am sorry if I used red and I am sorry that someone whom fails to read the label gets it pointed out they are not correct. I care deeply about people believing they are following instructional video that is completely incorrect. It perhaps it makes no difference, at all perhaps it does. I spent the rest of the time defending the position and being called names. That is cool I have a really thick skin.

The article describes a petri dish small weakened disinfectants being added. The result the bacteria is resistant to the disinfectant they were exposed to and oddly antibiotics unrelated as well. The fact the lab related to hospitals says one thing that the medical community commissioned the study. If one strain of bacteria can become resistant to a weak disinfectant should be enough, don't mis use disinfectants. RIs that is resistant to antibiotics is common. The fact much of the community demonstrates poor understanding of disinfectants and chemicals in general should be of concern. There is little studies done on captive herps, so the best we can do is extrapolate, I extrapolate that if one strain of bacteria can mutate to become resistant to disinfectants from weak exposure and in turn resistant to a set of antibiotics. Then I would surmise others would be able to as well. It isn't such a leap to my mind. The leap that the 1% or less that survives a full strength encounter will mutate to resist it is un backed. When I was young I had a streptococcus infection that was quite severe I did not develop a strong resistance I actually am quite susceptible to it now. I can't prove that the small amount of remaining bacteria will mutate to be resistant or will be susceptible I have never found a study to back this if you have a study that show using disinfectants correctly with high level of kill rates (99.5% broad) I would love to see it. The case still remains hospitals use monster quantities of disinfectants correctly. If this is a poor idea we are truly in trouble.

I don't know what to tell you to alleviate your fear, I believe correct use of disinfectant does not produce a sizeable number of mutated bacteria. Apparently you do, I would have nightmares. Where I work I do the best I can use soap and water rather than a hand sanitizer and if you choose to use it do so correctly 2 min wet time and rub in along nails and over wrists. It is the best I can do. The farmers I know tend not to use chemical disinfectants at all just steam, organic.


Weegsta, I am sorry if quoting the label and pointing out the error was such a large problem I did not intend to do so. Please accept my apology.

I actually did not think a comparison chart was scary I found it informative and a valid source. I did not mean to scare anyone with it.

Well this turned into a huge pile of ridiculous claptrap.

Closed until everyone feels thoroughly ashamed of themselves.