Think I'm in the process of getting ripped off...

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Although I agree with you Doo, I think it's appropriate that he is honoring the deadline that he gave the guy before posting.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Ask him to mail your snake back to you. I think that you should not go through with the trade at this point. Who knows if he even has the animal he says he does.

I understand you wanting to wait to make the BOI thread, but he clearly does not feel threatened by that. Does he even have an account on Fauna? If he is new to the hobby, he might not even have any idea it exists, which means, he probably wouldn't even notice the thread until you notified him of it.


In the future, don't do deals with people that don't have feedback of some sort. Whether its buyer or seller feedback, any feedback is better than no feedback. Facebook can be easily manipulated to make you look like a stand up guy when really you are trying to scam people out of animals.

The excuses are a huge red flag to me, as well as the lack of communication.


As for future trades, either conduct them in person with people you trust, reputable breeders, or don't do them at all.



Sorry but one day is not going to make a whole lot of a difference. It is unlikely that this person is scamming a bunch of people all at once and doesn't have a BOI about them already. Many people who post negative BOIs usually wait until the very end of their experience and post a full summary. While a BOI is helpful for other people to judge the character of sellers/buyers, it is equally not helpful for those who don't even realize the BOI exists, like many of the people that frequent the reptile classifieds on facebook.

OP has a duty to honor his word. Whether the other party will honor their word is unclear at this time. But at least OP knows they were courteous and more than accommodating when they go and make a negative BOI post, rather than going behind the other persons back.

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Ok, maybe I didn't word that right. I didn't mean do it, do it now. I meant make sure you do it so that it doesn't happen to somebody else.

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Originally Posted by DooLittle

Ok, maybe I didn't word that right. I didn't mean do it, do it now. I meant make sure you do it so that it doesn't happen to somebody else.

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Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

In the future, don't do deals with people that don't have feedback of some sort. Whether its buyer or seller feedback, any feedback is better than no feedback. .

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I can't say that situations like this don't encourage this mindset, but I hate it. As someone just about to have my first clutches dropped, my biggest fear is that I won't be able to sell any animals because I don't have feedback. There has to be some faith in humanity sometimes. All of the biggest names in the business that everyone recognizes here started out selling their first snakes without feedback.

I definitely wouldn't do trades like this if they weren't face to face though.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

In the future, don't do deals with people that don't have feedback of some sort. Whether its buyer or seller feedback, any feedback is better than no feedback. .

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I can't say that situations like this don't encourage this mindset, but I hate it. As someone just about to have my first clutches dropped, my biggest fear is that I won't be able to sell any animals because I don't have feedback. There has to be some faith in humanity sometimes. All of the biggest names in the business that everyone recognizes here started out selling their first snakes without feedback.

I definitely wouldn't do trades like this if they weren't face to face though.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

I can't say that situations like this don't encourage this mindset, but I hate it. As someone just about to have my first clutches dropped, my biggest fear is that I won't be able to sell any animals because I don't have feedback. There has to be some faith in humanity sometimes. All of the biggest names in the business that everyone recognizes here started out selling their first snakes without feedback.

I definitely wouldn't do trades like this if they weren't face to face though.

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But surely you have feedback from other breeders from being a good buyer? And you have this website! While it isn't seller/buyer feedback, it still proves you are a real person with real animals!

I have a trader rating on fauna because people rate me for being a good buyer :) Maybe you can ask some breeders who you have purchased from in the past if they would leave you some positive feedback.

I guess it just comes down to using your best judgement. If anything seems off, don't do the deal. I understand that everyone starts somewhere, but we also need to be careful who we are dealing with. New names are popping up all the time and while I would like to have faith in these new names, all of these scammers do make me wary of dealing with them.

I don't mind trades. If someone wants to trade with me, they have to ship first. Once I get the animal, I'll ship mine.

If I initiate it, I would have to ship first. But I probably won't initiate a trade without knowing the person on a personal basis.

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I can't say that situations like this don't encourage this mindset, but I hate it. As someone just about to have my first clutches dropped, my biggest fear is that I won't be able to sell any animals because I don't have feedback. There has to be some faith in humanity sometimes. All of the biggest names in the business that everyone recognizes here started out selling their first snakes without feedback.

I definitely wouldn't do trades like this if they weren't face to face though.

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I don't think you're going to have a problem as long as you take payment through Paypal. Their Buyer Protection has saved my tookus at least once, and people should be fairly confident to buy as long as you're using a payment method that gives some protection.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I don't mind trades. If someone wants to trade with me, they have to ship first. Once I get the animal, I'll ship mine.

If I initiate it, I would have to ship first. But I probably won't initiate a trade without knowing the person on a personal basis.

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Unfortunately that's exactly how I got into this situation. The assumption was that I was the unknown quantity, so I shipped first with the assurance that he would ship immediately after. Very stupid of me.

Who is this guy?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Who is this guy?

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His name is Dan Foss/Reptiles Plus in Pepperell, Mass.

https://www.facebook.com/reptiles.plus.10

Does anyone know the exact thing I'm going to have to report when (or hopefully if) I go to the police? Is it Mail Fraud?

I'm local to that area and appreciate you sharing their info.