Fire appreciation club!

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

My favorite...the fire extreme ringer champagne.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...ireERChamp.jpg

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By calling it an extreme ringer....... Do you want to tell us that this is NOT a pied, genetically? Whats going on here genetically if not pied? this totally looks like a pied, but if it is NOT A PIED but an "extreme ringer" while looking exactly like a pied, i guess we have to re-write some things in morphology. That would mean there are now 3 genes in the pied complex: pied, leopard, and extreme ringer. Or maybe not, and this is not some mysterious "extreme ringer", but just a pied.

EDIT: only the parents and pictures of the parents can tell.

No, there is no pied blood in Dave's champagne ringers. They are just what he calls them, ringers. They do not produce pieds when bred to a pied. He has however, at least in my opinion, proven that his line of ringers is genetic. Which to my knowledge is a first.

I don't think Dave appreciates you being kind of know-it-all in your post. I know I don't. Dave has been breeding a long time, and if it were a pied he'd call it that. Didn't you bother to look at the picture of the sire? Do you even know what a ringer is?

Just because a snake happens to have a white or sometimes yellow mark on it in a odd place doesn't make it a pied. Dave calls his extreme ringers because 99.9% of ringers look like his fire ringer, and not the fire champagne ringer.

Forgive me if I seem rude, but this person really ruffled my feathers and it's my time of the month anyway.

Gale

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

By calling it an extreme ringer....... Do you want to tell us that this is NOT a pied, genetically? Whats going on here genetically if not pied? this totally looks like a pied, but if it is NOT A PIED but an "extreme ringer" while looking exactly like a pied, i guess we have to re-write some things in morphology. That would mean there are now 3 genes in the pied complex: pied, leopard, and extreme ringer. Or maybe not, and this is not some mysterious "extreme ringer", but just a pied.

EDIT: only the parents and pictures of the parents can tell.

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Not sure where you are from, and if maybe it is a communication issue, but this is not the first confrontational sounding post from you. No one owes you any sort of proof of anything that you cannot find yourself with some simple research and use of the search function on here.

A Ringer is a known thing that is separate from Pied. There are a few theories out there as to what is going one. IMO is is a likely a result of line breeding and may have more than one gene involved. Also, some morphs seem more inherently "unstable" and throw more ringers. Champagne, especially in combo is one of them. Dave has hit on some great consistency with is in both frequency and amount of white.

Here's my female Fire Het Albino.

http://imageshack.us/a/img692/7382/2...rhalb09121.jpg

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Originally Posted by collrak

Here's my female Fire Het Albino.

http://imageshack.us/a/img692/7382/2...rhalb09121.jpg

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Very nice, that seems like an interesting project.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Very nice, that seems like an interesting project.

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Thanks, i'm thinking Albino Vanilla Creams.

Love this thread! Fires are one of my favorites too.

Our breeder male -

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...mall-1-1-1.jpg


Fire Spider girl we produced (I need to get updated pics!) -

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...ll-1-2-4-7.jpg



Some babies - (no longer owned by us)

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...l-1-2-4-17.jpg

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...l-1-2-17-1.jpg


And a Firefly we produced a few years ago (with our axathic girl) -

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_3789-1.jpg

Keep em coming, such beautiful snakes all :clap:

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...DSCN0647-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

By calling it an extreme ringer....... Do you want to tell us that this is NOT a pied, genetically? Whats going on here genetically if not pied? this totally looks like a pied, but if it is NOT A PIED but an "extreme ringer" while looking exactly like a pied, i guess we have to re-write some things in morphology. That would mean there are now 3 genes in the pied complex: pied, leopard, and extreme ringer. Or maybe not, and this is not some mysterious "extreme ringer", but just a pied.

EDIT: only the parents and pictures of the parents can tell.

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I don't want to derail this thread but I didn't use any pieds to produce this snake. Both parents came from different sources and neither used pieds to produce the parents. The only champagne pied picture I've seen is all white with a cap of color on it's head like a spied. I've posted about this project a few times so feel free to research some of my older threads. Thanks

Now back to the fires...a fire champagne with a regular champagne.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...mpandChamp.jpg