stacking system

Just because they eat birds doesn't mean they have to climb to do so or that that one specific snake actually climbs a tree every time it's hungry. I am sure it happens a lot and I have seen them climb myself, but I think that was due to moving into a new home and still getting used to it. After they got used to their new homes they would hide in their hides on cool/warm sides and nothing more other than coming to get some water or eat or poop.

I had both of my firsts in tanks. My large female loved her tank but my male who was a semi rescue hated it. He never came out and started having really bad sheds so when i got my rack system he was the first one to go in. He has a hide and newspaper and he spends all of his time under the newspaper under the hide lol he does NOT want to come out or be seen at all. My big female is in the rack system now and she does okay but we'll see if i keep her there for too long she seemed to like her tank and spent a lot of time out and about in there. She never used either of her hides besides laying her head on them she would lay next to them the silly girl. I kept her temps perfect and all she was just an oddball of sorts. I like my rack system since I'm in a small apt and don't have room for five different tanks. Do what you want but I honestly was running out of room and my male is doing much better so in many ways it depends on your situation and reptiles' personalities. :oops:

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Wrong, my first bp climb when I gave him branches to do so. Also, skiploader to provided research showing birds being a big part of wild bp diet.

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You have to remember every bp is going to be a little different, some think they are corn snakes and some are pet rocks. I would say by and large once bps's get a little wight on them their interest in climbing around branches is nil.

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Originally Posted by skirtinthedirt

Beardies have special needs when it comes to basking, UVB, etc, so I would be interested to see what a rack system looks like for them. Pics?

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BHB uses open(screened) tops with lights between each rack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC5eruXzbKE

Shown at about 0:20.

Whether rack system or display enclosure, both are fine if done correctly. Its just personal preference.

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Originally Posted by Pickle

Okay, maybe this is just me, but personally but i do not like stacking systems. What kind of life is your snake having in a small box. I mean sure they are warm but they no room to do anything.. and this doesnt just go for snakes, this goes for geckos and beardies as well. If you want to breed then okay, thats fine. But having full growns in there in my personal opinion, isnt okay. If you want a lot of snakes then colonize in a big tank. Like i said, maybe this is just me but i wanted to see what everyone elses opinions were.

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Ball pythons spend 90% of their time in the wild holed up in rodent burrows and termite mounds. Can't imagine any of those spaces are very large. A rack simulates these housing conditions. Big open spaces stress them out if adequate hides and cover are not provided.

Colonizing can be done, but not recommended.

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Originally Posted by Pickle

Well do you guys put anything in there with them like.. a hide or.. anything. I dont know. . Maybe i am just being closed off to the idea, i love my snakes and their tank set ups. My little girl is always in her hide but my full grown girl is sooooo active, it would just feel mean to me.

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Being too active is a sign of stress. Especially if its during the day. A hiding ball is typical a happy ball, which is why they are poor display animals.

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Well, maybe once my collection becomes toomuch to handle i will get a rack. Any good sites?

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Well, maybe once my collection becomes toomuch to handle i will get a rack. Any good sites?

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Lol after all that?
http://reptilebasics.com/

There are few good ones people like I built mine it was cheapest way an could decided how I wanted it.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Wrong, my first bp climb when I gave him branches to do so. Also, skiploader to provided research showing birds being a big part of wild bp diet.

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A bp slithering over a branch in your cage thats a foot or so high doesnt count as climbing. Thats more along the lines of them "steping" over a fallen branch in the wild. They are not found in the tree tops like green tree pythons or boomslangs.

Also birds are caught and killed on the ground all the time not just in the trees.

I keep my snakes in a rack but my girlfriend keeps her normal and spotnose in a 55 gallon tank and they are all over the place at night. During the day, they usually stay in their hides. I advised her not to keep them together but they're her snakes and the ultimate decision goes to her. I do like the rack system but I am surprised that her snakes seem to love the tank.

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