"White" patterned ball pythons?

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Male:	Firefly, Het Axanthic (VPI)
Female:	Axanthic (VPI)
Percent	Fraction	Traits
12.5%	1/8	Axanthic (VPI), Firefly
12.5%	1/8	Firefly, Het Axanthic (VPI)
12.5%	1/8	Axanthic (VPI), Pastel
12.5%	1/8	Pastel, Het Axanthic (VPI)
12.5%	1/8	Fire, Axanthic (VPI)
12.5%	1/8	Fire, Het Axanthic (VPI)
12.5%	1/8	Axanthic (VPI)
12.5%	1/8	Het Axanthic (VPI)
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Lets say you have the axanthic female or 2. You could start your firefly project and if the axanthic female isn't busy a season, I would just buy a pin het axanthic (which won't cost ya too much) and you can make axanthic pins that season.

As for the axanthic gstripe pastel, now your getting into the fun stuff :) double recessives.

The most direct way is to breed a axanthic to a gstripe with one or the other having pastel. If you are working on a firefly project, you already have a chance of making pastel axanthics, so lets use that for an example.

Male:	Pastel, Axanthic (VPI)
Female:	Genetic Stripe
Percent	Fraction	Traits
50%	1/2	Pastel, Het Axanthic (VPI), Het Genetic Stripe
50%	1/2	Het Axanthic (VPI), Het Genetic Stripe
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you would then take the offspring and breed them to each other, at minimum you need a pastel double het to a double het

Male:	Pastel, Het Axanthic (VPI), Het Genetic Stripe
Female:	Het Axanthic (VPI), Het Genetic Stripe
Percent	Fraction	Traits
3.125%	1/32	Axanthic (VPI), Pastel, Genetic Stripe
9.375%	3/32	Pastel, Genetic Stripe, 66% Possible Het Axanthic (VPI)
9.375%	3/32	Axanthic (VPI), Pastel, 66% Possible Het Genetic Stripe
28.125%	9/32	Pastel, 66% Possible Het Axanthic (VPI), 66% Possible Het Genetic Stripe
3.125%	1/32	Axanthic (VPI), Genetic Stripe
9.375%	3/32	Genetic Stripe, 66% Possible Het Axanthic (VPI)
9.375%	3/32	Axanthic (VPI), 66% Possible Het Genetic Stripe
28.125%	9/32	66% Possible Het Axanthic (VPI), 66% Possible Het Genetic Stripe
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so yes it is a long term project and you are dealing with many possible hets and statistically going to take a while. But on the way to your goal, you produce a lot of cool things that can help increase your odds once they are muture enough to breed. Example if you produce a axanthic gstripe but miss on the pastel, a pastel double het to an axanthic gstripe would give a 1/8 chance of hitting the pastel axanthic gstripe.

As far as the pattern, you would try to get founding animals that show the trait your looking for and then the babies have a good chance of also displaying it. You could also add a pattern gene like woma but it might screw with the coloring also, I personally don't believe we have any "pattern only" genes, they all seem to change the color a little, even if it is small.

IMO to meet all of your goals, focus on the firefly project first because it produces things that help you with your double recessive project, or even make the double recessive project that much cooler, why not try for firefly axanthic gstripes if you got the animals to do it? :)

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Thank you very much! Man those last odds are pretty slim and with the small egg clutches I'm in for a long wait lol. It'll be a fun goal though. :) I don't really see that many people after the axanthics or genetic stripes so I feel like I'm going to be walking down the road alone. Hopefully I'll be able to sell the ones I produce that don't align with my project.

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Originally Posted by Marrissa

Thank you very much! Man those last odds are pretty slim and with the small egg clutches I'm in for a long wait lol. It'll be a fun goal though. :) I don't really see that many people after the axanthics or genetic stripes so I feel like I'm going to be walking down the road alone. Hopefully I'll be able to sell the ones I produce that don't align with my project.

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I'm in the same boat, after my albino figures out if she has eggs or not from her last pairing, I will be pairing up her to our pastel hypo, hopefully making pastel double hets. Same odds and the same walking alone lol. All part of the fun :)