this is why we dont feed live

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Originally Posted by monk90222

I feed live off of tongs. The rats feet never even hit the tub floor. I've never had a problem doing it this way.

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Live off tongs? That's a good way to get po'd scared feeder...
Why bother with live then??

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Live off tongs? That's a good way to get po'd scared feeder...
Why bother with live then??

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Not at all. The feeder is gripped from the scruff of their neck and is as calm as can be. Live is much easier to feed than f/t.

My Mojave male just ate live as he was off feed for 2 months, perfect strike to the head within 30 seconds of rat dropped into tub, watched him until the rat was completely eaten, this is why you watch and make sure there is no complications. Off feed balls ignore food and some are very shy!

Does nobody pre-kill? It's simple and more humane for the prey.

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Originally Posted by shogun

Does nobody pre-kill? It's simple and more humane for the prey.

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No need to. My snakes do a great job of killing them quickly. :gj:

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Originally Posted by shogun

Does nobody pre-kill? It's simple and more humane for the prey.

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No, I don't feed prekilled. I feed live. That way there is no waste because if the snake does not eat, I can always feed it off next week. Babies that I intend on selling, I feed f/t. Because I feed both, I can attest that feeding dead rodents (f/t) takes me much more time than feeding live.

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Originally Posted by shogun

Does nobody pre-kill? It's simple and more humane for the prey.

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I have fed pre-killed before, but I no longer have the setup for it after I moved, so I just feed live and make sure to watch them while they feed.

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Originally Posted by shogun

Does nobody pre-kill? It's simple and more humane for the prey.

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Only if done correctly. Could get more inhumane, painful, and cruel if someone messed up a cervical dislocation for example. One can end up with a live, but paralyzed feeder. And CO2 isn't painless. It burns the eyes and nose for starters. I've euthanized hundreds of lab rodents and I can tell you, while it is the most humane out of all the official euthanasia methods, it's not painless or comfortless.

I don't do pre kill for my snakes. They're good at what they do. They are efficient and quick. Just as fast or faster than the CO2 chamber. Especially since I usually just feed smalls. The big girls take them down fast. In seconds really. By taking down, I mean the feeder is dead. I can't really think that is inhumane when the feeder is only in a coil for a few moments. When coiled, endorphins kick in and dull the feeder's pain receptors down.

I do pre-kill feeders sometimes for my ferrets. They're darn good at killing prey, but they're not as efficient if the prey is too large. Plus, larger the feeder, the more it tries to resist, fight or defend itself. The feeder also has a higher chance at hurting itself and suffering a long agonizing death if its too large. A ferret cannot restrain a big rat like a snake coil does. So to keep things safe and relatively painless, I may PK occasionally. But only because the pros and benefits of PK outweigh feeding them live if the feeder is too large. With smaller prey and for the snakes, not so much personally.



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Originally Posted by shogun

Does nobody pre-kill? It's simple and more humane for the prey.

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More humane than nature:rolleye2:

Killing them with co2 is about as humane as it gets when killing them, if you think it's perfectly humane you've never watched it done much.

Pulling tails(cervical dislocation) yeah, NOT HUMANE in any way. Nobody is perfect at it.

Whacking the rat/mouse, humane? NOT HUMANE, again nobody is perfect at it.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

More humane than nature:rolleye2:

Killing them with co2 is about as humane as it gets when killing them, if you think it's perfectly humane you've never watched it done much.

Pulling tails(cervical dislocation) yeah, NOT HUMANE in any way. Nobody is perfect at it.

Whacking the rat/mouse, humane? NOT HUMANE, again nobody is perfect at it.

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agreed. I'd much rather let the snake do what it has evolved to do. They are pretty good at it!