i purchased my caramel from mark at bbc reptiles and also picked up a spider het from skip at nhreptiles. skip is scott at cvexotics father. i have dealt with all three of these people. they have all done work together and have had good experiences with all of them. mark especially has gone over the top. he told me in discussions that they havent had much of a problem with breeding their caramels. they have had luck breeding bother females to hets and vice versa. they have been working with that gene and it appears that they have had good luck with their gene(s). since i have animals from both im hoping that continues. im shooting for a caramel spider cause i think theyre just plain awesome.