Down side to breeding,

Paul, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here but taking them out was not the best chance for them to survive. If the eggs were completely draining out the bottom, let them drain to the point to where you can patch the slit. Catch as much of the fluid as you can if possible, patch the egg, and put as much back in along with saline solution. Just don't take the snake out of the egg while you do it. I've used duct tape to patch eggs before as well.

Also, if there was no choice whatsoever to have to pull the snake out of the egg and to tie off the umbilical cord, put food in the snakes ASAP. With them not being able to absorb their yolk, they need some kind of nutrients in their body to absorb. Just taking them out, tying off the cord and not putting anything in their belly will kill them just as fast.

Nobody is trying to scold you or tell you that you don't know what you're doing, we're just trying to help from our own bad experiences to try to help enough so that it doesn't happen to you again. Bad things happen when dealing with live animals and trying to breed them, our best tool is experience and the experience of others to help us on our way.

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Originally Posted by Luke Martin

Paul, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here but taking them out was not the best chance for them to survive. If the eggs were completely draining out the bottom, let them drain to the point to where you can patch the slit. Catch as much of the fluid as you can if possible, patch the egg, and put as much back in along with saline solution. Just don't take the snake out of the egg while you do it. I've used duct tape to patch eggs before as well.

Also, if there was no choice whatsoever to have to pull the snake out of the egg and to tie off the umbilical cord, put food in the snakes ASAP. With them not being able to absorb their yolk, they need some kind of nutrients in their body to absorb. Just taking them out, tying off the cord and not putting anything in their belly will kill them just as fast.

Nobody is trying to scold you or tell you that you don't know what you're doing, we're just trying to help from our own bad experiences to try to help enough so that it doesn't happen to you again. Bad things happen when dealing with live animals and trying to breed them, our best tool is experience and the experience of others to help us on our way.

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Hi Luke, Honestly if I could of patched in anyway shape or form I would of done it but it would of been near on impossible to do.

I didn't have to tie off the umbilical cord I left the egg sack completely attached when I transfered them over into a moist container. I only removed the egg sacks after they had died because it looked rather gruesome to post photos of.

The thing is no one's given me any sort of explaination to what might of happened all I have been told is I shouldn't of done this or I shouldn't of done that and people making assumptions. IF People read what I actually put instead of skimming the posts then maybe they wouldn't be quick to tell me that I would of been able to patch them up. This clutch meant more to me than anything else and if I could of done anything apart from pulling them I would of within an instance it was literally a last resort. All the eggs were stuck together all were leaking from the bottoms, I couldn't just flip them upside down and patch them up that would of caused even more damage than good. To be able to stick something to a surface the surface needs to be dry and this was like wet tissue, Imagine trying to stick sellotape to egg white an impossible task.

Our best tool is experience and learning as we go but everyones chimed in to somewhat of accusations and assumptions but no one's given me any clue to what could of happened or how I could prevent it from happening again. All I have been told is top the eggs up don't pull them out don't do this don't do that but it is too late for people to be telling me this and that when I had no choice other than to pull or let them die without trying.

I have learnt a valuable lesson but it's not about the eggs or the hatchlings but its about not sharing my experience because out of everything thats been said not one came back with constructive advice ( Sorry to those that have given me ideas in case it happens again I don't mean you ) I don't want to know what to do if it happens again what I would like to do is prevent it from happening in the first place.

It seems all people are bothered about is telling me not to pull them but if they would of survived then everyone would of told me I did the right thing because it would of been a positive outcome.

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Actually I think it is you that doesn't understand, and it's quite sad.
I understand and have read the FULL thread. No one is "jumping" on you because they did not read correctly. You say your trying to educate? How about you listen to the commenters on this thread instead of flipping out? We are trying to educate YOU! What have you learned from this mishap? Nothing, if you don't listen to others that have dealt with similar situations already. If this hobby means so much to you then you need to relax and listen to the ones that have experience. Keeping them in the eggs was the ONLY thing that should have been done. Being ripped out is what killed them. Point blank. Lesson learned. You could have posted when the problem was occurring and gotten sound advice. Even though they were loosing fluid, they could have been patched or misted frequently to keep them hydrated. It really bothers me that you are the one jumping on anyone who has tried to give you advice.

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So you saying I shouldn't of pulled them out was educating was it ? Well infact I was faced with the situation I was the one that made the choice to do what had to be done. Making a bold statement that it was infact ripping them out is what killed them is absolutely outrageous ! I put this thread up to ask for opinions on what could of happened to the eggs causing them to slit at the bottom! I did not put up the thread to be told I shouldn't of done this or I shouldn't of done that! So perhaps YOU are reading far too much into it! I have listened to the valuable input to this thread I have also taken note to those that have given me some damn good ideas on how to patch them up IF it happens again!

I have listened to everything everyone as said but bleating on about the same old thing gets a bit tiresome! I could of posted but then that would of meant waiting X amount of hours for someone to reply and during that time the eggs would of dried out, How many more times do I need to say that they were past the point of being patched up, The slits where underneath the eggs and surrounding was soaked so it would NOT of stuck to anything.

It really bothers me that people make assumptions and misread what's been said I have read what people have said and I have taken on board some great advice. I have not jumped on anyone that's given constructive information but for those that haven't read what's been written! So yes I have relaxed and listened to those that haven't jumped down my throat about pulling.


Thanks to those that have given me some great advice about saving eggs and using those as patches in the future if anything happens so if ANYONE knows what could of caused these slits in the first place I would be interested in finding out after all that is why I posted this thread in the first place.

Sorry to hear about your loss....How could you tell they were leaking from slits on the bottom? Did you have them on vermiculite or on a light grating setup over the vermiculite? I think this whole thing is weird. I have not hatched thousands of eggs like some other members here but I have hatched quite a few in the past two years and have never had this problem. Definitely, hang in there. I killed my first clutch because my vermiculite was too wet so I had to make some adjustments to my ratio.

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So you saying I shouldn't of pulled them out was educating was it ? Well infact I was faced with the situation I was the one that made the choice to do what had to be done. Making a bold statement that it was infact ripping them out is what killed them is absolutely outrageous ! I put this thread up to ask for opinions on what could of happened to the eggs causing them to slit at the bottom! I did not put up the thread to be told I shouldn't of done this or I shouldn't of done that! So perhaps YOU are reading far too much into it! I have listened to the valuable input to this thread I have also taken note to those that have given me some damn good ideas on how to patch them up IF it happens again!

I have listened to everything everyone as said but bleating on about the same old thing gets a bit tiresome! I could of posted but then that would of meant waiting X amount of hours for someone to reply and during that time the eggs would of dried out, How many more times do I need to say that they were past the point of being patched up, The slits where underneath the eggs and surrounding was soaked so it would NOT of stuck to anything.

It really bothers me that people make assumptions and misread what's been said I have read what people have said and I have taken on board some great advice. I have not jumped on anyone that's given constructive information but for those that haven't read what's been written! So yes I have relaxed and listened to those that haven't jumped down my throat about pulling.


Thanks to those that have given me some great advice about saving eggs and using those as patches in the future if anything happens so if ANYONE knows what could of caused these slits in the first place I would be interested in finding out after all that is why I posted this thread in the first place.

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Make no mistake. You are the one reading too much into this and are the one who is not listening. People are trying to tell you what to do and what not to do and you are getting pissy about it. What is wrong here? As I stated before, I read this whole entire post and did not make any assumptions, nor have I misread anything. That really bothers me. Shame on you. If anyone is making assumptions or misreading, it's you. You can take that how ever you will. Sorry but you have to get over yourself. Yes, you taking them out of the eggs is what killed them...... is that more to your liking? I did not say you ripped them out in my original post. Wasn't until you "jumped" on me for being nice and sharing my own sad story about a similar event. So WHO made an assumption and misread something? Sure the heck wasn't me. Here let me repost what I originally stated. The one that you so arrogantly responded to.

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You absolutely should NOT have pulled them out of the eggs. You can actually spray them with distilled water to keep them moist. We learned the hard way on one of our first clutches a long time ago about pulling them out too soon. I think it was our second clutch ever. We cut them on day 46 and didn’t know NOT to cut the egg sack. We cut the eggs open and cut the sacks. They still had a LOT of yolk left and were doing good. After a week or so the fluids started to get all nasty grey/green looking inside the eggs. We got worried and pulled them out of the eggs, but they still had probably 4-5 days worth of yolk to absorb. Taking them out of the eggs was the worst thing to do. Unfortunately we lost the whole clutch and learned a valuable lesson. Now we know not to cut the egg sack and to just leave them in the eggs.

Sorry for your loss of the clutch. I know the feeling and it sucks.

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So how did this post imply that I hadn't read anything? How did it show that I had misread anything? Was I being rude? Did I "jump down your throat"? Because I emphasized NOT?

Good luck in your future breedings and thanks for being so ungrateful. You obviously are very smart and considerate and listen very well to constructive criticism. Yeah somehow I don't think you have or will learn anything from this mishap. Sorry for the poor snakes that lost their lives to your incompetency.
Sorry but you sure rubbed me the wrong way with your unfounded bad attatude.

I think the reason no one has given you a reason as to why it happened is because for the most part, it doesn't. And if it does...most would be just as clueless about it as you are. All we can do is offer advice to fix it or keep it from happening again and that's what we did. Sorry if it wasn't what you were looking for, but its all we could do for you given the situation. We don't know how your egg boxes are set up, temps, humidity and how often you checked/touched them. We can't just expect you did everything right in the first place, so we're offering the best advice we can with the information we've been given.

Wow. The heat sure turned up since my last post.

OP, can you describe your set up? It might clue is in to how the eggs got cut.
And for a solution incase your particular situation occurred again, maybe perhaps put the eggs in a saline filled cups since you said there was no way to patch them up. That way the liquid in the eggs cannot escape. And if some does, the entire cup will become the new egg.

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Yes, you CAN flip the eggs upside down in the case of a repair. I've washed Burmese python eggs under the kitchen sink before with 100% hatch. As stated by several others here your eggs would have been better left alone and it seems as you are not understanding your mistake. Nature has a way of fixing itself. If it doesn't, that is where we step in. Remember my trick.....keep a few of your old eggs. All you need is water to seal them up. Good luck.

I am staying out of the debate and argument here.

But, I would very much like to try and understand how or why these eggs split on the bottoms. I don't think I have ever heard of that happening before, and I am quite puzzled.

Can you please tell me exactly how you were incubating the eggs ? Perhaps that might provide a clue. Especially since this is only my second season, and out of four clutches I had problems with three. I'd like to be better informed and prepared for in case of.

One of my clutches I had a very similar problem, and one tiny little baby I had to cut and tie his umbilical cord and separate him from his yolk. he was so pitifully thin I didn't think he'd live, but with some patience on my part and a few assist feedings, he actually looks like a normal hatchling now. Now that he's about 10 weeks old.

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Ah nuts, :(

Sorry to read this.

Do the slit in the bottom of the eggs look like they were made by the egg tooth of the snake inside or are they all in the same direction and might have been caused by the grating they were sitting on?


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