What do you all think of the "cupid" ball?

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Selectively breeding a banded snake to a pastel will make brighter pastels, but does that make the cupid a new morph or just another banded ball you're using to make nicer animals with :confusd:

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It's a genetic banded snake. How is that selective breeding? :confusd: It does have banding and a particular head stamp that is passed on genetically.

I have a huge 3500g+ female that i got last year and breed to my YBNazca male. She had the same bright head spot and banded type pattern. She gave me a clutch of ten eggs.
2.0 Nazca, 1.0 YB, 6.0 YB Nazca and 0.1 Odd female who looked alot like mom and very bright just like the baby cupids u have posted. Hereare a few pics of the mom and a link to a video with the clutch hatching. She will be the second to last snake shown. Just seeking your opinion on what i got. Thank You
YB NazcaX Normal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6AaO...=ULX6AaO-ld8ps.
Mom

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This seems like a morph that just needs to prove itself. I cant wait to see what it does in a fire and lesser gene. I have a butter i bought from luke about a year ago great snake necer had any issue with him. He was my first morph and is one of my favorite snakes.

I have to say it is difficult to prove out a line of banded animals cause all the people saying the pattern is just the random nature of things and not genetic. Honestly I sometimes think those people are more here to discourage people then actually help people out. I have our own line that we are working with and few people respect this morph. Recessive and Dominate lines have been proven to date, but probably the enchi, woma, and countless others started out as someone trying to prove a genetic banded project. Some crazy stuff has came out of those attempts. I believe right now my line is dominate and this year we are pairing it with its first morph, a blond pastel. Now we have not done a pairing of daughter back to father or brother yet, but unfortunately my first pairing had issues and put this project on the shelf for a year or two. Right now I fortunately have 6 daughters from him that hatched out this year that look just like him and will be raised up for breeding.

Really I think it is important to keep a line labeled until its genetics are fully realized. Does this mean they should each get their own name? I can't answer that, but if I was to sell one of the hatchlings from my project to someone as just a banded/genetic banded and later proved it to be something more would it be nice to be able to track the lineage of these banded lines better?

It's fine that some people don't see it. I didn't come on here or anywhere saying it was the next big thing. It's a proven, reproducible trait, that's why its on the WOBP. Not because I am trying to hype up some normal looking snake so I can sell it for a ton of money. If I were throwing out hype, you would have seen me trying to sell them and you would have seen it and heard about it a long time ago and you'd all be tired of hearing it by now lol.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Selectively breeding a banded snake to a pastel will make brighter pastels, but does that make the cupid a new morph or just another banded ball you're using to make nicer animals with :confusd:

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If it were selective breeding, it wouldn't have separated itself from the original pastel male I'd bought and bred to regular old normals, nor would it have reproduced itself from breeding him to different animals not in the line every year.

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Originally Posted by cecilbturtle

If I missed it I do apologize, but could you put up some photos of cupids next to normals of the the same age/size please? I'm just not seeing it.

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I'll get a few pics of some more comparison shots when I'm able to get the chance.

Wexotics, I'm only on my phone right now, so I'll have to check your pics out later when I'm on my computer.

Luke- Thank you for sharing the background and pictures with us. I'm sorry I was one of the morph's critics. I still think the WOBP pictures do the morph little justice now that I've seen the ones you've put up here. It's a bit difficult to see the heart stamp in certain types of lighting, but I thought it was cute when I did see it!

Please keep us updated on your results when you breed the offspring back in; I'm curious about the super form. (Not that you owe us bunch of 'haters' anything! :P ) Until then I'll be patiently waiting with my foot in my mouth.