Trade value?

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Originally Posted by New guy

Yeah I too do not value the pinstripe at 900. I said the least I could take is 650 cash and the pinstripe and they said no way. So I passed not worth it to me.

This is the pic of the pinstripe
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/08/y7e5uvym.jpg

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it's not a bad looking pinstripe though why did you want to trade your 2 gene for a single? but i say $650+the pin was a lil bit too much.

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Originally Posted by New guy

Yeah I too do not value the pinstripe at 900. I said the least I could take is 650 cash and the pinstripe and they said no way. So I passed not worth it to me.

This is the pic of the pinstripe
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/08/y7e5uvym.jpg

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Out of curiosity, what was the guy expecting as a fair trade or didn’t he make an offer? I feel you could definitely find a better trade than that.

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Originally Posted by boyer.michael.s

Out of curiosity, what was the guy expecting as a fair trade or didn’t he make an offer? I feel you could definitely find a better trade than that.

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300 cash and I feel the same way

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Originally Posted by JaGv

it's not a bad looking pinstripe though why did you want to trade your 2 gene for a single? but i say $650+the pin was a lil bit too much.

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Looking to make kingpins this season and been trying to sell for cash

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

I'd say $350-$400 ish

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WHAT! Hatchling Pinstripe females are still going for $2-300 depending on quality.

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Originally Posted by boyer.michael.s

You have to take your reputation and the quality of your pinstripe into consideration. For a pinstripe of high quality coming from a reputable breeder I would say you could get at most $475. This number is based on the fact that it still short of the weight many people seek for breeding and also for the fact that it hasn’t been proven that the snake can lay viable clutches.

Also, in my opinion, you can't go around advertising this snake as a breeder yet for the two reasons I listed above. You shouldn't be breeding a female at 1300 grams. At the minimum you could do 1500 grams but even that is not the optimal weight.

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There is no such thing as an optimal weight for females to breed at. It varies from one animal to the next and should be based on a combination of things such as age, weight and more importantly to me is the females overall appearance.
There have been alot of documented cases of 1200 gram females breeding and producing with no issues.

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Originally Posted by boyer.michael.s

This is true but you are not taking all the variables into consideration. For one we haven’t even seen a picture of this pinstripe so the quality of the pinstripe itself might not meet most people’s standards. Secondly, it is an unproven breeder that is not even at full adult size or even recommended breeding size. Finally, if you take the size into consideration next year at best would be when it is ready to breed which is plenty of time for the prices of pinstripes to change once again since it has seemed to be a favorite by many which has led to a huge supply of them being available.

Like I said, I was giving my opinion. Everyone is different. I just happen to be someone that wouldn't pay $900 dollars for a pinstripe female that is an unproven breeder and still isn't at even recommended breeding size. I think some may be overlooking the fact that this female still has at least 200 grams to put on before she should even be considered to breed and even then I personally would wait for her to get to at least 1800 grams but that again is just my opinion.

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The female the OP posted could easily put on 2-400 grams by the time she is out of quarantine and be more than ready to breed! Especially if she is a good eater and continues feeding up until the time she Ovys.

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Originally Posted by New guy

Yeah I too do not value the pinstripe at 900. I said the least I could take is 650 cash and the pinstripe and they said no way. So I passed not worth it to me.

This is the pic of the pinstripe
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/08/y7e5uvym.jpg

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2012 Female Pastel Calicos are going for $900-1200 depending on quality with the majority of them being $1000-1100. So you really only value the Pinstripe being offered for trade at $250-550 depending on the quality of your girl?
I could easily see that female selling for somewhere in the $7-900 range, so why not ask for $400 cash plus her for your girl?
Especially if you really want to shot for Kingpins this year!:gj:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/08/7ydu3ege.jpg
I value this pastel calico over 1200
With this one being her sister
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/08/e4ypa4u8.jpg

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Originally Posted by C&H Exotic Morphs

WHAT! Hatchling Pinstripe females are still going for $2-300 depending on quality.



There is no such thing as an optimal weight for females to breed at. It varies from one animal to the next and should be based on a combination of things such as age, weight and more importantly to me is the females overall appearance.
There have been alot of documented cases of 1200 gram females breeding and producing with no issues.



The female the OP posted could easily put on 2-400 grams by the time she is out of quarantine and be more than ready to breed! Especially if she is a good eater and continues feeding up until the time she Ovys.



2012 Female Pastel Calicos are going for $900-1200 depending on quality with the majority of them being $1000-1100. So you really only value the Pinstripe being offered for trade at $250-550 depending on the quality of your girl?
I could easily see that female selling for somewhere in the $7-900 range, so why not ask for $400 cash plus her for your girl?
Especially if you really want to shot for Kingpins this year!:gj:

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I am going to have to disagree about your view on the weight. I never said it isn't possible to breed at 1300g but it does have the possibility to pose more of a risk if she doesn't gain more weight in the time it takes until she ovys. I understand that it is possible to put on the weight in a timely manner but I (and you as well unless you know something more than what was said in the original post) don't know how this snake reacts to feeding. Your basing your view off of perfect conditions but the reality is not all snakes eat well all the time and even if they do it does not mean they won't randomly stop one day and take a month break. So in perfect conditions I would agree with you but we can't just assume everything is perfect as there are often times where the conditions are not.

As for pricing, in the end it really comes down to what each person values a particular morph at and also even a particular snake within that morph. I mean there are some $2,000+ morphs that I wouldn't even buy if they were under $200 but at the same time there are some morphs that are under $500 that I would be willing to spend $2,000 on if that was what they were priced at.

Like I said these are just my opinions and not the rule. Just like what you are saying is not the rule but simply an opinion. I just happen to play things a bit more safe and would rather have more weight on my females before thinking about breeding. After all, the health of the animals is what comes first so whats the problem with waiting a little longer for some extra weight.

Didnt read the whole thread but id say $800-850 would be a very fair pirce.

On topic: If you're looking at market value on both animals, I'd say 900 value on the pastel calico and 800 on the pin. It's a nice pastel calico, but I've been shopping calicos recently and have seen similar animals being sold for 650-800.


Off topic: I've read a lot about 'optimal breeding weight' and there is nothing to suggest there are health risks to breeding a female that is appropriately aged and with the appropriate body condition. If she can't produce and lay eggs she simply won't get pregnant from the breeding.

First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from underweight breeding] is really rare. If it’s a legitimate underweight breeding, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

Could not resist.

I think those people are who mentioned ridiculously low prices are people who may have the hook ups to get them at that price. I think the going retail market value for them would be $800 and over. Full grown Pastel's are even worth more that $450.

My advice to you is trade her if she fits your plans. Obviously the Pastel Calico is worth more and more useful in the future, but since you can use the Pin earlier, it may be worth it instead of waiting for for Calico to gain size.

Also, from my personal opinion 1300 grams is fine to breed as long as she is healthy. 1500 grams and over is the ideal weight but doesn't necessarily mean the healthy weight. I had 2 girls go for me under 1500 grams and they laid 6+ healthy eggs each. I also know some larger breeders down here that breed at that weight as well with success.