We got issues.... Lol

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Ok, I'm a mom, and here's my opinion....which seems to be different from everyone else's.

You've already proven your concept with the champagne. You can care for the animals well, and you can make them reproduce. You probably have a nice little collection of morphs going. If you were my kid, with that track record, I would let you do it. It's clear you can make money.

Now, she may be hesitant if the money for that snake represents a large chunk of what you have, or all that you have. Ever hear the phrase 'don't put all of your eggs in one basket'? Perhaps you would be better off investing in a project that's half the price of that one, for now--in case something happens to the animal, you need some sort of back up.

If that's not the case--if you can fully afford it, and can still recover if something happens to the animal, then I don't see why she shouldn't allow it.

Create a spreadsheet, and show all of your expenditures and your income since you began breeding snakes. Show how much you put into it, and how much you got out. If the numbers don't impress her, then probably nothing will.

College? Guys, if he's buying a coral glow, he'll have college covered without any student loans in a few years, provided he does it right. He can buy his car the first year he gets a good clutch from it.

You know what I wish I had done at that age? Not save--INVEST. If I had known then what I know now, I'd be rich. (And I wouldn't have lost half my net worth in the economic crash, but that's a different story). High end ball morphs are an investment, if you're breeding them. They're a business. Cranking out a few clutches of champagnes doesn't make chump change, it makes real money. This isn't 'blowing money on a snake', it's an investment.

That's my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

Plus if your parents don't want you to do something, and you live under their roof, it's a good idea to comply to their rules.

You can try all you want to change their minds, but I can see why your mom says no.

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I'd say this goes for if you live with someone else who pays for the place entirely. If you're not kicking in for bills, it's their decision and you gotta stick with it.


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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

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Ok, I'm a mom, and here's my opinion....which seems to be different from everyone else's.

You've already proven your concept with the champagne. You can care for the animals well, and you can make them reproduce. You probably have a nice little collection of morphs going. If you were my kid, with that track record, I would let you do it. It's clear you can make money.

Now, she may be hesitant if the money for that snake represents a large chunk of what you have, or all that you have. Ever hear the phrase 'don't put all of your eggs in one basket'? Perhaps you would be better off investing in a project that's half the price of that one, for now--in case something happens to the animal, you need some sort of back up.

If that's not the case--if you can fully afford it, and can still recover if something happens to the animal, then I don't see why she shouldn't allow it.

Create a spreadsheet, and show all of your expenditures and your income since you began breeding snakes. Show how much you put into it, and how much you got out. If the numbers don't impress her, then probably nothing will.

College? Guys, if he's buying a coral glow, he'll have college covered without any student loans in a few years, provided he does it right. He can buy his car the first year he gets a good clutch from it.

You know what I wish I had done at that age? Not save--INVEST. If I had known then what I know now, I'd be rich. (And I wouldn't have lost half my net worth in the economic crash, but that's a different story). High end ball morphs are an investment, if you're breeding them. They're a business. Cranking out a few clutches of champagnes doesn't make chump change, it makes real money. This isn't 'blowing money on a snake', it's an investment.

That's my opinion.

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This is exactly what I am thinking. If he got the money to drop on the snake in the first place he should have no problem with college. He was able to come up with the money in the first place. He has shown success in breeding already. Sounds like a great way to pay for college IMO.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

*sighs*

Ok, I'm a mom, and here's my opinion....which seems to be different from everyone else's.

You've already proven your concept with the champagne. You can care for the animals well, and you can make them reproduce. You probably have a nice little collection of morphs going. If you were my kid, with that track record, I would let you do it. It's clear you can make money.

Now, she may be hesitant if the money for that snake represents a large chunk of what you have, or all that you have. Ever hear the phrase 'don't put all of your eggs in one basket'? Perhaps you would be better off investing in a project that's half the price of that one, for now--in case something happens to the animal, you need some sort of back up.

If that's not the case--if you can fully afford it, and can still recover if something happens to the animal, then I don't see why she shouldn't allow it.

Create a spreadsheet, and show all of your expenditures and your income since you began breeding snakes. Show how much you put into it, and how much you got out. If the numbers don't impress her, then probably nothing will.

College? Guys, if he's buying a coral glow, he'll have college covered without any student loans in a few years, provided he does it right. He can buy his car the first year he gets a good clutch from it.

You know what I wish I had done at that age? Not save--INVEST. If I had known then what I know now, I'd be rich. (And I wouldn't have lost half my net worth in the economic crash, but that's a different story). High end ball morphs are an investment, if you're breeding them. They're a business. Cranking out a few clutches of champagnes doesn't make chump change, it makes real money. This isn't 'blowing money on a snake', it's an investment.

That's my opinion.

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thank you...the speadsheet is a great idea

I cannot "buy" anymore, till I breed the ones I have to show her I can actually produce my own balls. However, adopting was never mentioned, nor was trading. So, when I finally do it, and show her I am able, then I can buy and add more.

If the coral glow is still off-limits, maybe compromise and prove out some reliable breeder's 100% hets? You'd have to have at least one het for the coral glow to get visuals anyway (it's recessive, right?), and an unlucky clutch could set you back a year, but it'd be less money spent on one lump sum.

I'm not a mom, but I did just become completely financially independent fairly recently (in my 20s), and if I could give advice to a younger me it'd be to start saving at your age. If you have college totally covered-and I mean a full ride or the money to cover what the scholarships don't, and if you have consistent savings, such as putting $100 into a savings account each month, then I could support the coral glow decision. Student loans are awful, and in today's shaky economy jobs aren't guaranteed. I got lucky with a decent job 2 years out of college, but I'm still struggling with paying off student loans on top of my other bills- and this is after working full time through school. You should come up with a back-up plan if the very worst happens; having to leave school (for whatever reason), sudden medical costs (for you and your snakes), a buffer if you lose or can't find a job. While its nice to imagine the money you'd get for a 7-egg clutch of all coral glows, you should spend and save your money as if you expect all slugs and an R.I. for your breeder. (Though I'm sure you're a great keeper and breeder; I'm just coming up with unfortunate examples.)

So if you want to skip all the nagging, negative nelly stuff: compromise with your mom and try something smaller and don't blow all your money in one go. But for the record, I hope you can do all that and get your glow, and I will live vicariously through you when you do. :D

Best of luck!

I guess my issue is, he didn't make the money from breeding, or save over time. He sold his quad and got a lump sum that he now wants to put entirely in one snake. If you are in fact making good money breeding, and covering your overhead (food, supplies, your part of the electricity and water) then a spreadsheet is a good idea. But if you haven't started doing your part yet with the overhead, and your mom is footing the bills for the snakes and their care...I don't think I would be for it. Coral glows are an iinvestment, but if you haven't shown that your current investments have pulled their own weight yet, and then some, that doesnt show me you've made good investments yet. I do agree however that perhaps a different project may be a better idea. Perhaps something that is in the 5k range, and taking the other 5-7 and putting it towards your overhead / finding a facility. If you have been taking care of all the expenses, and seeing a decent return on investment, then I may consider the big buy. But I would definitely need to see real numbers first. Not just well the champ cost 1500, and I already made 3k from it! That is not a business proposition / good explanation of your profit & loss.

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Coral glows are Co dom. And a wonderful investment for those in the right spot financially.

Yeah, this reads to me as a kid getting handed more money than he knows how to handle. No offense and you don't need to argue the point with me... it's just my silly, unfounded opinion.

Good thing his mom seems to be the one in control of it.

Take then 10k, keep it in the bank, and when you EARN another 10k with WORK you can invest it how you see fit. You might be surprised how the labor will make you think twice about what you spend it on.

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You said you bought into champagne? If you're working that project correctly and have no bills to pay in life, you should be able to pump out 10k in babies in 1 breeding season. You watched 'the ball game' video? Convince your mom to let you spend 1k on 5 normal females at breeding weight and make your 10,000 this winter. Buy the coral glow in 6 months.

I've made a sum of money from my champ, but I kept a lot of the real cherry animals, my mom pays nothing for my snakes or supplies its all me. I have insurance for death of my animals

So when I was in HS I saved until I had about 13k. After graduation the money was spent over the next 4 years on the following:

Living on my own for the first time
Going to:
Belgium
Holland
Switzerland
France
Living in Hawaii for 6 months
Visiting Hawaii 3 times the following year
Road tripping every summer to Maine, Boston, NY.. and more

It funded many more experiences then what I listed above. It was wonderful having that financial independence to do what i wanted and when I wanted... I just think you should consider all the wonderful things you could use the money for... I lived cheaply and spent it all on gas and plane tickets. Loved every minute of it.

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