Combo to make the whitest cleanest Leucistics?

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Originally Posted by rafacacho

x4!
Any secret we are not aware of?

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From what I can tell you from our clutch, they just have eye issues.
There was one female in the clutch that we are almost positive is blind.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Actually, I think Lesser pieds make the cleanest white snakes. I know that Ralph produced one with zero pattern. You'ld need to put more time into the project, but I think it would be worth it.

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You can't get whiter than the super lesser/butter we produced, there's not one bit of color or pattern anywhere.
I agree a lesser pied is a much healthier breeding and a more powerful snake if you like pied projects.

I don't think i've seen it suggested yet, not sure why... Fire x Fire BEL's take the cake for me. if you check out mike wilbanks site he has some good examples of super fires. One really cool thing about them is I THINK they black/red eyes from the pictures i've seen. Also I just think that when they do come out with any kind of coloration or patterning on them it is the best looking for a lucy because they tend to be high orange instead of yellows/greys. I'd take black/red eyes over blue eyes any day.

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Originally Posted by Ryan Chin

I don't think i've seen it suggested yet, not sure why... Fire x Fire BEL's take the cake for me. if you check out mike wilbanks site he has some good examples of super fires. One really cool thing about them is I THINK they black/red eyes from the pictures i've seen. Also I just think that when they do come out with any kind of coloration or patterning on them it is the best looking for a lucy because they tend to be high orange instead of yellows/greys. I'd take black/red eyes over blue eyes any day.

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But the thing about Super Fires or BlackELs is that they're not always a pure white. The OP is asking for an all white snake with no markings. Super Fires can have bright yellow patches on them. I personally prefer more yellow on a Super Fire, but its still not the pure white snake the OP wants.


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Originally Posted by satomi325

But the thing about Super Fires or BlackELs is that they're not always a pure white. The OP is asking for an all white snake with no markings. Super Fires can have bright yellow patches on them. I personally prefer more yellow on a Super Fire, but its still not the pure white snake the OP wants.


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I know but all the lucy snakes I've seen regardless of morph (fires, lessers, butters, russos, mojaves) can produce pure white snake as well as semi patterned snakes, it all depends on the specimen. You can find patches of patterning, high yellow dorsal striping, greys, purples, blues etc in every lucy form. I think it's along the same lines of pieds being able to produce any range of low-hi white pieds in their offspring regardless of their own patterning.

Also I did notice in another thread that I can not find anymore you were going to the reptile convention here in Sac at the end of the month and go to UCD? What do you study there, my girlfriend is a student there.

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Originally Posted by Ryan Chin

Also I did notice in another thread that I can not find anymore you were going to the reptile convention here in Sac at the end of the month and go to UCD? What do you study there, my girlfriend is a student there.

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Yeah. I attend UCD.
Animal and Wildlife Biology.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Yeah. I attend UCD.
Animal and Wildlife Biology.

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Awesome, good to know there'll be some cool people at the expo this year..it's actually my first time going and I've lived here all my life.

What kind of ball pythons are you working with?

Het Russo X Het Russo = White Diamond = the whitest BEL hands down.

Never seen any bug eyed super Lessers or super Butters.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Het Russo X Het Russo = White Diamond = the whitest BEL hands down.

Never seen any bug eyed super Lessers or super Butters.

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Did you just see that ad on kingsnake also? It's a beauty no doubt!

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Het Russo X Het Russo = White Diamond = the whitest BEL hands down.

Never seen any bug eyed super Lessers or super Butters.

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http://fire-ballreptiles.com/images/...terfemale1.JPG

There is several BEL combo's that make pure white lucy's, I'm not sure why people consider one whiter than another when they are pure white?

You can get clean whites from fire x fire, but you also have a shot of getting some yellow in there as well.


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