Your opinion identifying her please ?

I can understand your argument, I really can. What we are really trying to do, in our not always perfect way, is to warn you NOT to get convinced it is a morph, then get angry when it isn't. Does that make sense?

We see hundreds of people here all the time, who are convinced their normal is something else. Many of them refuse to believe it, and I can see why. But then, if you choose to breed it thinking it's something that it is not, you come back here dissapointed and angry when things didn't turn out the way you wanted them to. It happens all the time.

What you say is true, no two snakes are exactly the same, whether normal or morph, but try not to discard our combined wisdom at identifying a snake just because it isn't what you want to hear. I myself have normals that look anything but normal. It still doesn't make them a morph, no matter how much I might want it to.

Yes your snake is a real looker, I don't disagree with that. She is big and round and very healthy. But like it or not, she's still just a normal. You can argue the point until you are blue in the face, but that doesn't change the facts. If you prove her to be anything but a normal, I'll eat my husbands dirty hunting socks.

Gale

If you prove her to be anything but a normal, I'll eat my husbands dirty hunting socks.

Gale[/QUOTE]

LMAO...
(I still am working on getting that quote thing down, lol)
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Looks like a normal to me. Not seeing anything else.

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Originally Posted by angllady2

I can understand your argument, I really can. What we are really trying to do, in our not always perfect way, is to warn you NOT to get convinced it is a morph, then get angry when it isn't. Does that make sense?

We see hundreds of people here all the time, who are convinced their normal is something else. Many of them refuse to believe it, and I can see why. But then, if you choose to breed it thinking it's something that it is not, you come back here dissapointed and angry when things didn't turn out the way you wanted them to. It happens all the time.

What you say is true, no two snakes are exactly the same, whether normal or morph, but try not to discard our combined wisdom at identifying a snake just because it isn't what you want to hear. I myself have normals that look anything but normal. It still doesn't make them a morph, no matter how much I might want it to.

Yes your snake is a real looker, I don't disagree with that. She is big and round and very healthy. But like it or not, she's still just a normal. You can argue the point until you are blue in the face, but that doesn't change the facts. If you prove her to be anything but a normal, I'll eat my husbands dirty hunting socks.

Gale

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If this is directed towards me...first off it's not my snake. I could care less if it's normal or not. I just think it's funny how you can show a pic of a snake and have plenty of "experts" and hobbist all say normal. Like there is NO CHANCE it could be hiding something crazy in there just waiting to be unlocked. If this were the case, none of these new morphs would exist.

On the other hand, I post pics all the time and ask for opinions. This site is awesome for that. I think we all have "normals" that we wish were something else, but to just say " normal, nothing more nothing less" is pretty close minded. Definity NOT a Pastel as the OP was asking.

Sorry, I like to have a little bit of hope. The OP may breed it to a Yellow Belly or something along those lines and come up with something new. You never know. That's whats so great about Ball pythons. If the OP were to get something new from her.......I hope you have a good recipe for dirty hunting socks:D

I have a feeling I should make some popcorn and get comfortable. :pc:

There are a few professional breeders here...I'm a professional breeder. This just means you have registered a business name, and you breed snakes to make money. I've been breeding ball pythons since 2007. I have pastels, and a yellowbelly.

That is a normal. It's a pretty normal. Plenty of them have clear bellies. Plenty of them have partial stripes. I have many normal females that look stranger than yours does. Yours does not look anything at all like a yellowbelly, and she is not the right color (IMO) to be a vanilla, either. Besides, no one would accidentally sell you a vanilla as a pastel. Vanillas are worth a great deal more than pastels, and a lot more than normals.

A lot of pet owners believe that 'pastel' just means the snake is lighter and more yellow in color. They don't realize that it's a specific mutation with a definite difference in appearance from a normal ball python. They have no idea what to look for (Just as you did not, when you bought her).

I do hope you did not pay more than $60 for her. If you did then you were scammed. A pastel female would have sold for $200 back then.

The thing is, all those "normals" that hide amazing things have a look about them. Now, naturally you say that proves your point, but it actually proves mine. I've been speaking with a member here who purchased a normal who had a really unique look, he is in the process of proving her genetic. The point is, she doesn't look like every other run of the mill normal. In fact, her looks scream she's hiding something. That is why he chose her. If you spend your life chasing after every normal that looks slightly different, you are going to waste your life. Most true dinkers can be picked out a mile away.

Sure, you can argue any normal could be hiding something, and that is true. But to chase after a 1 in 1,000,000 possibility time after time trying to prove a point seems rather silly to me. Talk to the guys who proved the things like Mystics, Potions, Sables, Chocolates, Laces, het Reds, Yellowbellys, and the other subtle morphs. They will all tell you the snakes that proved genetic had very unique looks to them. They certainly didn't waste their time breeding every slightly different normal hoping to find something. That is also the reason 99% of dinkers never prove out. Because the fact is most normals are just that, normal.

Gale

Your point is well taken and very true. I'm not tring to argue the fact that "this snake" is something other than a normal. The only thing that bothers me is when someone shows a pic, and it's not a morph, everyone chimes in NORMAL.

When I see pics of baby morphs (sable, gravel, special, spector), heck I've been hatching them for years! All unproven ofcourse and I sell them as normal unless I proved them out. I'm also not into chasing the 1 in 1,000,000 dream. I'm sure everyone here would love to have that special "normal looking" snake in their collection that produces something crazy. Something like a hidden gene.

Personally I would like to get to the point were producing normals is a very small percentage.(or not at all)

I love to hear input from all the people on this site, thats what makes this forum so great. You can post pics and get peoples opinion from all over the world.

A normal is a noraml........unless is het for something. I think JK Reptiles had a pastel that he didn't know was het for Pied. Yes I believe he did say it looked a little different, bred back to mom and produced Pastel Pieds. Don't qoute me on this, it's been a while since I seen the story.

My favorite is the Pastel female Ben Rennick has. She looks as normal as normal gets, but throws some of the most outrageous Pastel offspring. I've seen her in person, and absolutely nothing about her even hints at Pastel.

One of the things that makes breeding these guys so entertaining.

Gale

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Originally Posted by MS2

Your point is well taken and very true. I'm not tring to argue the fact that "this snake" is something other than a normal. The only thing that bothers me is when someone shows a pic, and it's not a morph, everyone chimes in NORMAL.

When I see pics of baby morphs (sable, gravel, special, spector), heck I've been hatching them for years! All unproven ofcourse and I sell them as normal unless I proved them out. I'm also not into chasing the 1 in 1,000,000 dream. I'm sure everyone here would love to have that special "normal looking" snake in their collection that produces something crazy. Something like a hidden gene.

Personally I would like to get to the point were producing normals is a very small percentage.(or not at all)

I love to hear input from all the people on this site, thats what makes this forum so great. You can post pics and get peoples opinion from all over the world.

A normal is a noraml........unless is het for something. I think JK Reptiles had a pastel that he didn't know was het for Pied. Yes I believe he did say it looked a little different, bred back to mom and produced Pastel Pieds. Don't qoute me on this, it's been a while since I seen the story.

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I understand your point for sure. But if people see a normal that's what they are going to say it is. If it is het something, most people would just be grabbing at straws trying to guess what it is.

Point is, if its not a visual dom/codom/recessive or a reputable breeder sold it as a het or a het produced by you, then it's a normal until bred and proven otherwise.

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