What is this?!!!

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Originally Posted by MrLang

You got advice from people with expertise to rush that animal to a vet. You withheld that information from the actual owner of the snake FOR 10 DAYS because it's too hard to break it to them? That's wildly selfish and counter-intuitive. It's outright neglectful for the animal as well. Snakes can't scream when they're experiencing gut-wrenching pain.


Very sad. With that attitude you probably shouldn't be attempting to breed animals in a controlled environment.

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maybe back off the OP a little. in his defense it is the owners responsibility to, at the very least research what is going on with his animals not his friend. the fact that the owner refused to take the animal to the vet to begin with shows how he feels about his animals. there is no reason to attack the friend and to go as far as to tell him he should not breed is the most absurd thing i have ever heard. he didnt do this, it wasn't his snake, there is no grounds to say such things. should he have told him?....yes he should have. would it have made a difference? i doubt it. if you dont take your animal to the vet when you see thier insides come out then pointing out the obvious to them isnt going to do much.

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You got advice from people with expertise to rush that animal to a vet. You withheld that information from the actual owner of the snake FOR 10 DAYS because it's too hard to break it to them? That's wildly selfish and counter-intuitive. It's outright neglectful for the animal as well. Snakes can't scream when they're experiencing gut-wrenching pain. <br />
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Very sad. With that attitude you probably shouldn't be attempting to breed animals in a controlled environment.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

You got advice from people with expertise to rush that animal to a vet. You withheld that information from the actual owner of the snake FOR 10 DAYS because it's too hard to break it to them? That's wildly selfish and counter-intuitive. It's outright neglectful for the animal as well. Snakes can't scream when they're experiencing gut-wrenching pain.


Very sad. With that attitude you probably shouldn't be attempting to breed animals in a controlled environment.

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Wow so quick to judge. Not that i owe you any explanation at all but here goes....

I posted this thread because my friend asked me to. In the meantime he has been doing his own research. It is not my snake. I do not control his wallet or what hes doing with his snakes.
Since posting this thread i have been away and havent really been checking up on here. This morning i signed on and remembered this thread and saw all the advice given.

I sent my friend a text to get back at me but his phone is off while hes at work. This is why i havent told him yet.

For you to question my motives and judgement in this matter is insulting and disrespectful.

Its one thing to offer advice but its another thing to bash me for something without knowing the full story.

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Originally Posted by sflanick

maybe back off the OP a little. in his defense it is the owners responsibility to, at the very least research what is going on with his animals not his friend. the fact that the owner refused to take the animal to the vet to begin with shows how he feels about his animals. there is no reason to attack the friend and to go as far as to tell him he should not breed is the most absurd thing i have ever heard. he didnt do this, it wasn't his snake, there is no grounds to say such things. should he have told him?....yes he should have. would it have made a difference? i doubt it. if you dont take your animal to the vet when you see thier insides come out then pointing out the obvious to them isnt going to do much.

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Thanks for defending me.

In the ACTUAL OWNERS defense i dont think he understood the extent of the injury here. To my knowledge i think he prematurly summed it up to some kind of discharge or placenta-like tissue (yes i understand this assumption my have been irresponsible which is why i suggested he go to the vet in the first place).

That being said, i will bring this thread to his attention as soon as i can get a hold of him and talk to him about getting to the vet, thats the best i can do now.

Thanks for everone that helped.

And a few choice words to those that didnt...

Sorry, my reaction is based on 'we waited 2 days before massaging it out' so I am imagining a scenario where you are a part of this breeding process, either as a roomate, close friend, or someone close to the issue. You were one of the people who waited 2 days. You were one of the people who massaged it out. Not your snake by material ownership? Fine. You took the time and energy to come here to seek answers, and then you ignored them despite the potential consequences to the animal. That makes you irresponsible in my mind and brings into question your actual passion for these snakes. Sorry if you disagree, you're perfectly entitled to.

This is why this snake needs a vet... The cloaca (where all the urine/urates and feces collects) also has openings from the intestines, the kidneys, and the oviducts. Hence feces, urates, and eggs all come out of the same place. When the oviduct is traumatized/removed you can have an opening from the cloaca that leads straight into the coelom (the internal body cavity of a snake, like your abdomen). This means bacteria from the feces can enter the body/bloodstream. If this happens she will become septic and die very quickly. Since she has made it this long it is possible that the opening has managed to heal itself, or its possible that as her gut is likely empty that she just hasn't gotten septic yet.

At a bare minimum this snake needs broad spectrum antibiotics and preferably some pain meds. This would be cheap and available at any vet. Any keeper who would not spend this minimal amount to give a captive animal basic medical care, has no business keeping animals. Flame me all you want for that statement but I will stand by it. Palliative care, adoption/surrender, or euthanasia are all better options than just seeing what happens while allowing an animal to suffer.

Ideally she should be worked up fully and scoped to assess internal damage. This is all assuming that the only thing injured with this aggressive palpation was the oviduct.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

Sorry, my reaction is based on 'we waited 2 days before massaging it out' so I am imagining a scenario where you are a part of this breeding process, either as a roomate, close friend, or someone close to the issue. You were one of the people who waited 2 days. You were one of the people who massaged it out. Not your snake by material ownership? Fine. You took the time and energy to come here to seek answers, and then you ignored them despite the potential consequences to the animal. That makes you irresponsible in my mind and brings into question your actual passion for these snakes. Sorry if you disagree, you're perfectly entitled to.

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Ur assumption are hwere you are wrong. I am not part of the breeding. I am not a roommate. He came to me as another snake owner and asked my opinion. I told him to give her a little time to push it out. After 2 days he massaged it out. I was not there. He sent the pic and i posted it . I told him go to the vet. He said he cant.

Where am i wrong? Am i supposed to force him?

Just admit that u jumped the gun and attacked me without knowing the facts. Not here for an argument but i dont like how you are trying to pin this on me.

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Originally Posted by zwhitman

This is why this snake needs a vet... The cloaca (where all the urine/urates and feces collects) also has openings from the intestines, the kidneys, and the oviducts. Hence feces, urates, and eggs all come out of the same place. When the oviduct is traumatized/removed you can have an opening from the cloaca that leads straight into the coelom (the internal body cavity of a snake, like your abdomen). This means bacteria from the feces can enter the body/bloodstream. If this happens she will become septic and die very quickly. Since she has made it this long it is possible that the opening has managed to heal itself, or its possible that as her gut is likely empty that she just hasn't gotten septic yet.

At a bare minimum this snake needs broad spectrum antibiotics and preferably some pain meds. This would be cheap and available at any vet. Any keeper who would not spend this minimal amount to give a captive animal basic medical care, has no business keeping animals. Flame me all you want for that statement but I will stand by it. Palliative care, adoption/surrender, or euthanasia are all better options than just seeing what happens while allowing an animal to suffer.

Ideally she should be worked up fully and scoped to assess internal damage. This is all assuming that the only thing injured with this aggressive palpation was the oviduct.

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So is this similar to a prolapsed uterus? I have seen it happen to sheep and a few other farm animals but I didn't know if it was possible with egg laying things.

I didn't attack you, I took the information YOU posted in this thread and gave a reasonable assessment. The use of the word 'we' is plural... as in you were part of it.

Obviously this is not the case. This is why proper use of the english language is so important for communicating. /nazi

Sorry I have good reading comprehension skills. Based on this last post you made I will say you are fine. The owner of the snake, however, is not. I'm still confused why you didn't just shoot them a text back and give more detail. Maybe if you told the guy the snake will never breed again without medical attention he might listen.

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Originally Posted by sissysnakes

So is this similar to a prolapsed uterus? I have seen it happen to sheep and a few other farm animals but I didn't know if it was possible with egg laying things.

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There are some similarities. The idea of the reproductive tract flipping inside out and protruding outside the body is similar, and the basic risks of infection, bleeding, and septicemia are the same. However the anatomy of a cows uterus and vagina are very different than the oviduct and cloaca of a snake.

You just need to break it to your friend, and ASAP. If you take my "not beating around the bush" as an attack, then sorry, but the snake needs to be at the veterinarians office!