What female for me will eliminate odds of normals?

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Originally Posted by chelseawhelsee

What I've found is that only supers will remove odds of normals...since for example, a pastel lesser won't, but a BEL will.
I dont have the money to afford a super...darn. Haha

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It's not only supers(homozygous trait) that throw no normals ;)

2 genes that are allelic to each other cannot throw normals either.
Superstripes, Crystals, Vanilla Cream, mystic potions....

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Originally Posted by heylookitsjon

But as far as a Super that isn't jn the $1000+ range....can't help ya lol

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Super Pastels and Ivories

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

found it http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...98#post1847606

"wobble" is not a separate gene. Spider is the wobble gene. So if it's spider, it has the potential to wobble. No one knows how it might act in homozygous form because there hasn't been a proven one. I dont see any reason currently why there would be more wobbles.

we need to stick to just saying facts are what we know, which isn't a whole lot. Theories are fine to discuss, but for some reason they keep becoming "fact".

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... How in the heck did I miss that thread?! :O

Also, "wobble" could be a separate gene from "spider" ... But if it is, it's so very tightly linked that there is no way, through simple breeding, to separate them. In goats, the gene for hornlessness (a good trait) is very tightly linked to a gene for hermaphroditism (a bad trait), so even though scientists know they are two separate genes, there's no practical way to separate them ..! (So, it's really pretty much just academic/semantics...)

Also, in response to the last few replies to this thread ... What the heck should we call those "heterozygous for two mutant gene" animals like mojave/lessers, Vanilla Creams, etc.? How about "hetero Super?" Since Super is a made up (unique to the snake world) term anyway, we could just make up a totally new term for these guys -- doesn't have to make a whole ton of sense ....

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

Also, in response to the last few replies to this thread ... What the heck should we call those "heterozygous for two mutant gene" animals like mojave/lessers, Vanilla Creams, etc.? How about "hetero Super?" Since Super is a made up (unique to the snake world) term anyway, we could just make up a totally new term for these guys -- doesn't have to make a whole ton of sense ....

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"Mojave//lesser genotype" ball python means that the ball python has a mojave gene paired with a lesser gene. That makes more sense to me than "hetero super".

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Mating two spider ball pythons would not produce 100% dead embryos. Even if the embryos with two spider genes die, the other embryos would hatch normally. Living babies would have either two normal genes or a spider gene paired with a normal gene.

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

... How in the heck did I miss that thread?! :O

Also, "wobble" could be a separate gene from "spider" ... But if it is, it's so very tightly linked that there is no way, through simple breeding, to separate them. In goats, the gene for hornlessness (a good trait) is very tightly linked to a gene for hermaphroditism (a bad trait), so even though scientists know they are two separate genes, there's no practical way to separate them ..! (So, it's really pretty much just academic/semantics...)

Also, in response to the last few replies to this thread ... What the heck should we call those "heterozygous for two mutant gene" animals like mojave/lessers, Vanilla Creams, etc.? How about "hetero Super?" Since Super is a made up (unique to the snake world) term anyway, we could just make up a totally new term for these guys -- doesn't have to make a whole ton of sense ....

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everyone calls them allelic