IBD possibly caused by newly discovered rodent virus!

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

:( I hate the comments. they make me so depressed.

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One of my friends sent me that article...I guess so I could 'save myself' from a horrible, snakey death.

[~again~...I'm always getting "concerned warnings" about my scaly "killer kids"]

*shrug*

The snakes are staying and I'm not worrying.

It's just another load of hysterical BS, IMO.

IBD has been around forever.

Anybody here ever die from it?

{{{crickets}}}

Didn't think so.

Yeah, I am not worried about IBD. It is great that they are doing more research about it though.

The comments though...so much ignorance.

Oh god, and read the comments people put below. Some people just should not be allowed to speak......

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Yeah, I am not worried about IBD. It is great that they are doing more research about it though.

The comments though...so much ignorance.

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I've had Dobermanns for 37 years.

I'm pretty much immune to "ignorance" and can rattle off the "correct information" in my sleep, by now.

Hypothetical time:

Supposed TSHTF and we're all fighting for our very survival, someday.

Imagine that the big, brawny guy in your metaphorical/literal foxhole lets the enemy know exactly where you are because he jumped up and screamed like a little girl because some lousy little rat snake slithered over his foot.

Now that is depressing.

So many wusses, so little time.

[FWIW, I'm a 5' 3", 100 pound little runt and I'm not scared of snakes...WTH is wrong with people??]

With any luck, they'll beat this to death and inadvertantly come up with a cure or treatment for IBD.

[or they'll just run with it, willy-nilly, creating havoc and panic amongst the herd]

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Originally Posted by eatgoodfood

Oh god, and read the comments people put below. Some people just should not be allowed to speak......

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A nice dry cleaning bag properly applied would fix that.

:rofl:

I just saw a comment that said "Try it on Obama!!" All the while I'm sitting here laughing at the comment and finding out someone who's been in trouble is getting sentenced, finally!

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Originally Posted by Salamander

I've had Dobermanns for 37 years.

I'm pretty much immune to "ignorance"

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we had dobe's when I was young, lost a little to parvovirus picked up at the vets... This little was the last of the warlock linage.

About the only thing that scares me is nuclear war...


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Originally Posted by ExotixTowing

we had dobe's when I was young, lost a little to parvovirus picked up at the vets... This little was the last of the warlock linage.

About the only thing that scares me is nuclear war...


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The "Warlock" lineage is still going strong, if you're referring to Borong The Warlock.
The Kayhill kennels, as just one example are heavily Warlock linebred and most good lines still trace back to to his descendants.

If you're referring to the oversized, so-called "Warlock Dobermans", there never was such a thing, anyway.

They were just bred-huge, over-standard Dobermanns, much as the "King Dobermans" and other mythological creatures.

:)

I'm very sorry for your loss.

Parvo is a wicked, wicked thing that Dobes are still especially sensitive to, as are all other "Black & Tan" dog breeds and I remember when the vaccine first came out for that and Leptospirosis although since that time, the Lepto vac is contraindicated in Dobermanns and I do not allow mine to be vaxed for it.

[wrong serovar of Lepto and way too many serious side-effects]

My HS best friend lost her young Weim to parvo, just a couple points shy of getting his his title.

We just didn't know about it in the mid-70's.

He was a beautiful specimen and a great loss to the breed.

Happily, we not only have a good Parvo vac now, we are able to treat the active virus quite successfully.

The only thing about nuclear war that scares me is surviving one.

I'd much rather be incinerated instantly than die of slow radiation poisoning.

[Where I live, I'll be ashes before I even see the pretty flash]....;D

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Originally Posted by therunaway

I just saw a comment that said "Try it on Obama!!" All the while I'm sitting here laughing at the comment and finding out someone who's been in trouble is getting sentenced, finally!

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

So basically all your saying is IBD is being used as an umbrella for what could possibly be a bunch of diseases/issues and we know next to nothing about it (which I think everyone agrees on) I still don't understand how this means it doesn't exist. Also there is undoubtedly something going on causing these animals to have similar issues and eventually die. Call it IBD, T-Virus, or boogyman flu, I just want to have some sort of treatment for the issue, If I unforchantly come across it.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Interesting article about how IBD may be linked to/caused by a previously unknown strain of a rodent virus.

http://m.scotsman.com/news/environme...irus-1-2465888

Maybe they will investigate the rodents fed to those zoo snakes further and figure it out once and for all. I would like to know where those rodents came from if it is found to be true.

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Originally Posted by Don

This morning, on NPR's Morning Edition, there was a fairly interesting story about IBD and it's relation to the Ebola virus. Here is a link to the article, news cast and video:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012...bola-in-humans

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Originally Posted by ER12

ScienceDaily (Aug. 14, 2012) — A mysterious condition called Inclusion Body Disease (IBD) strikes captive boa constrictors and pythons, causing bizarre behavioral changes and eventually death. Scientists investigating an outbreak of IBD among snakes at the Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco report they may well have found a virus that is responsible for this common but deadly disease, a discovery that could eventually lead to prevention and treatment options. The study appears in the August 14 issue of mBio®, the online open-access journal of the American Society for Microbiology. The authors report that the virus represents a whole new class of arenaviruses scientists have never seen before.

Among captive boas, IBD is the most commonly diagnosed disease that is thought to be caused by a virus. Snakes that have contracted IBD may initially regurgitate food, but they eventually show dramatic neurological problems, says Michael Buchmeier, a professor of infectious diseases at the University of California, Irvine. Neurological signs include "stargazing," in which the snake stares upwards for long periods of time.

"Some of the symptoms are pretty bizarre -- this stargazing behavior, looking like they're drunk, they tie themselves in a knot and they can't get out of it," says Buchmeier. The condition, which is named for the inclusions, or pockets of foreign material, found inside the cells of affected animals, is ultimately fatal. IBD is devastating for large aquariums, as it can infect a large number of snakes before it is identified and quarantine measures can be put in place. Since there is currently no treatment for the disease, infected snakes must be euthanized to prevent them from infecting other animals.

When the disease recently struck a number of boas and pythons at the Steinhart Aquarium at the California Academy of Sciences, the aquarium requested help from scientists at the University of California San Francisco who specialize in discovering novel viruses.

The researchers extracted DNA from tissue samples taken from boas and pythons diagnosed with IBD, and used rapid, high-throughput techniques to learn the sequence of those strands of DNA. In amongst all the snake DNA sequences there were sequences of DNA that clearly belonged to viruses -- viruses that are members of the arenavirus family. The authors were later able to grow and isolate one of those viruses using snake tissues cultured in the laboratory.

While it is an important development from a practical standpoint, since identifying the causative agent for a disease is the first step in developing treatments, vaccines, diagnostics, and prevention policies it is also an incredible discovery for virology: the virus belongs to a group of viruses no one knew existed.

"This is one of the most exciting things that has happened to us in virology in a very long time. The fact that we have apparently identified a whole new lineage of arenaviruses that may predate the New and Old world is very exciting," says Buchmeier.

According to Buchmeier, this new isolate doesn't fall neatly into either of the two known categories of arenaviruses, Old World arenaviruses and New World arenaviruses. The fact that the virus was found in snakes adds another surprise twist, since up until now arenaviruses had only ever been found in mammals.

Metagenomic techniques that examine large samples of DNA for small bits of information, like the approach used in the study, are extremely powerful for identifying new viruses, Buchmeier says.

"Twenty years ago we would have called this a fishing expedition. It is fishing, but the techniques are so good and so sensitive that they allow us to determine which new types are there," says Buchmeier.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...nd+Reptiles%29

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Originally Posted by Salamander

http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-virus-r...155028124.html

Color me skeptical.

Is this going to be a new angle to outlaw the keeping of reptiles?

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Merged.

Here's a link to the actual study if anyone is interested in reading it:

http://mbio.asm.org/content/3/4/e00180-12#xref-fn-1-1

Although it is still unclear how IBD is transmitted, the authors do bring up mites and infected rodents used for feeding as possible transmission vectors.