What Do You Make of These Ball Pythons??? - Morph???

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Could be the bee, could be the pastel, could be a split clutch...5 babies with no spiders at all, though entirely possible, wouldn't give me much confidence that the bee sired the clutch alone.

Can you post a pic of the pastel male that you paired with the female?

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will go get his pic now....... just the markings on the heads....similar to a bees?

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Originally Posted by milo45

will go get his pic now....... just the markings on the heads....similar to a bees?

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Pastel Male:
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...8/DSC_0953.jpg

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...8/DSC_0954.jpg

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Originally Posted by milo45

Pastel Male:
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...8/DSC_0953.jpg

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...8/DSC_0954.jpg

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Oh .... now I am not sure who the sire is or whether it is possible for 2 sperm from 2 different snakes to fertilise 1 egg????

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Originally Posted by milo45

whether it is possible for 2 sperm from 2 different snakes to fertilise 1 egg????

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Not possible...

I would repeat the pairing.

I would try again next year and see if you get a repeat. If the pattern repeats sounds like a fun experiment.

Keep us posted on these babies please!

Just to echo what everyone else has said, the third baby looks like a pastel, the fourth is a nice normal. The first two scream "Classsic Jungle" to me. With the crazy patterns and deformed faces, I have to ask -- Did anything odd happen in incubation? Wet eggs, weird temps, anything?

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Originally Posted by Alicia

Just to echo what everyone else has said, the third baby looks like a pastel, the fourth is a nice normal. The first two scream "Classsic Jungle" to me. With the crazy patterns and deformed faces, I have to ask -- Did anything odd happen in incubation? Wet eggs, weird temps, anything?

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Thank you everyone for your help today. We had an issue around 2wks prior to eggs hatching and the temps in the incubator went crazy! I mean real hot, I let it cool down and had to remove all the eggs into a make shift incubator....vivarium, insulated with polystyrene and heat matt and stat.... whilst I sorted out the "real" incubator.
All other eggs that have hatched are all 100%

Once again, thank you so much for all the comments and input..... :gj:

Wow, those first two are crazy looking. :) I also thought the head shape was strange.

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Keep an eye on that first little guy..he looks like he has a little head that can be an indication of some issues, sometimes not all the time..

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Originally Posted by milo45

We had an issue around 2wks prior to eggs hatching and the temps in the incubator went crazy! I mean real hot, I let it cool down and had to remove all the eggs into a make shift incubator....vivarium, insulated with polystyrene and heat matt and stat.... whilst I sorted out the "real" incubator.

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I wonder if that could explain the extreme, funky patterns (in addition to the malformed heads, of course) on the first babies. ... Anyone know when the pattern develops in BP babies? Would they have already developed pattern by 2 weeks prior to hatching?

I would still repeat one or both pairings (bee x female and pastel x female) for sure ... Those are some really cool looking babies. It would be great if you had stumbled on something new and it'd be a shame to just write it off as an incubation issue. That said, I wouldn't get my hopes up TOO high just in case that is all it was.

Also, I don't think that five babies with no spiders gives you much information about who the sire is (maybe a hint in the right direction, but it definitely isn't screaming). My bee hates "giving up" his spider gene -- he has sired 12 babies thus far with only two carrying the spider gene.

Based on the defect and the temp spike, I suspect that this is not genetic, but incubation related.

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