Super Pastel or Super Pastel Lesser

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Originally Posted by Andybill

I cant believe they sold it to you before it even had its first meal. Doesnt sound like any body I want to do business with...

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Why not? As others have said, there is nothing wring with buying an unstarted bp, as long as thats how it is advertised. The only problem would be if they sold it as shed and feeding when it wasnt yet.

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Originally Posted by aalomon

Why not? As others have said, there is nothing wring with buying an unstarted bp, as long as thats how it is advertised. The only problem would be if they sold it as shed and feeding when it wasnt yet.

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True there's nothing wrong with it. But most reputable breeders wait till they know the animal is feeding readily before selling to limit negative feed back. If you continually sell animals that way, your bound to have some problem animals.

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Originally Posted by Rob

True there's nothing wrong with it. But most reputable breeders wait till they know the animal is feeding readily before selling to limit negative feed back. If you continually sell animals that way, your bound to have some problem animals.

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I'll have to disagree with that. For one, buying an unstarted animal shouldn't lead to any negative feedback because the breeder didn't screw up. That's like saying you should only sell proven breeders because otherwise eventually you are going to sell an animal that doesn't breed.

Second, by selling an unstarted animal you don't face the trouble of having to mirror exactly how the breeder was feeding. I have had multiple bps that I've bought where there was some small difference between the breeders feeding style and mine and so I had to go back and try to trouble shoot what it was to get the animal to eat.

Agreed! I don't personally care if the animal is feeding or not as long as this information is disclosed. Lots of breeders offer nice discounts on non started animals so that's kinda nice. I think if both parties agree to the terms of the sale then all is hunky dory. Other people shouldn't be saying things like "well a respectable breeder would..."


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I know I'm a little late but that's a sexy super pastel, I don't see lesser there but feel free to ship it my way ;)


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1.0 normal bp- Blitz
1.0 Nicaraguan boa- Gavin
0.1 Red Tail Boa- Tara

I personally think it is lesser.
I think since it's shed it will become very evident. He's still got his hatch colors and I reckon he'll look a lot creamier once he sheds out.

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Originally Posted by aalomon

I'll have to disagree with that. For one, buying an unstarted animal shouldn't lead to any negative feedback because the breeder didn't screw up. That's like saying you should only sell proven breeders because otherwise eventually you are going to sell an animal that doesn't breed.

Second, by selling an unstarted animal you don't face the trouble of having to mirror exactly how the breeder was feeding. I have had multiple bps that I've bought where there was some small difference between the breeders feeding style and mine and so I had to go back and try to trouble shoot what it was to get the animal to eat.

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Agree 100% I have bought all stages of BP's and by far without question, the healthiest, best eaters are the ones I bought right out of the egg before their first shed and feeding. I set the conditions and they get use to the way "I" do things. I bought an entire clutch of Orange Ghosts. all but one ate great. I assist fed the no-eater twice and she kicked in on her own after that and is now up with the rest of them.
I bought a well started Lesser girl from BHB, a very well know breeder, and she ate for me once and shut down. She is VERY skittish. I may have to return her. Brian is very understanding and helpful. I think since she was well started (500 grams) and spent several months at his facility is what made her adjustment so difficult. His place is a huge warehouse where the lesser girl rarely if ever had contact with anyone. My house is a lot different than the BHB warehouse.

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Originally Posted by aalomon

I'll have to disagree with that. For one, buying an unstarted animal shouldn't lead to any negative feedback because the breeder didn't screw up. That's like saying you should only sell proven breeders because otherwise eventually you are going to sell an animal that doesn't breed.

Second, by selling an unstarted animal you don't face the trouble of having to mirror exactly how the breeder was feeding. I have had multiple bps that I've bought where there was some small difference between the breeders feeding style and mine and so I had to go back and try to trouble shoot what it was to get the animal to eat.

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There's an upside to a lot of things it doesn't mean there isn't the alternative as well. All I'm saying there's a reason Breeders like BHB are so successful, they avoid shipping out a problem product as much as possible. And by making sure there animals are feeding they are taking one less risk.

Ok, since I was the first to say I think its risky let me explain. I don't think buying a snake before its first shed is bad. What I think is risky is why would you put a snake under stress of transporting it from point a to b have it sit on display then have several interested parties handling it only to say no thanks and walk on then take it from point b to c. Then have it shed out and hope its calmed down enough to take its first meal. Then what if it has to be assist fed by a person who doesn't know what they are doing (not saying the OP doesn't). Plus OP paid 450 for a snake that might be just super pastel and IMO that's too much. To each his own, I know. And I still think its just a super pastel, reduced pattern can be passed with out passing a mutation. I've seen normal babies from a lesser x normal clutch with reduced pattern.

I don't believe either side of the topic is wrong. There are reasons to say you will buy a animal before its "started" and there are also reasons to support not wanting to.