Perhistoric Pets

Any good breeder would definitely not encourage hacking the veins or pulling the snake out of the egg to see what it is. So no I dont believe it is normal practice for most breeders, which it clearly is not the case for these folks at prehistoric pets.

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

After watching the OP's vid I just randomly clicked on this one when I looked through their other vids and I had to stop after a 1:40 after he pulled the poor thing's tail right out of the egg :( I don't believe this is normal practice right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQdv...ure=plpp_video

Edit: similar to Mike's vid he posted.

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youre correct, its not normal at all. For anyone reading this thread, this is how the REAL PRO's do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLHsQ7Y-Y0I

Whats that you say at 1:05 Mike? "Be careful not to cut the blood vessels."??? Huh i thought all the blood was normal...

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

youre correct, its not normal at all. For anyone reading this thread, this is how the REAL PRO's do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLHsQ7Y-Y0I

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Awesome vid, so gentle. I sure didn't think hacking eggs was normal, but I'm not shamed to say I have no knowledge of breeding or caring for eggs: I'm still a long ways away from attempting to breed experience-wise.

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

Awesome vid, so gentle. I sure didn't think hacking eggs was normal, but I'm not shamed to say I have no knowledge of breeding or caring for eggs: I'm still a long ways away from attempting to breed experience-wise.

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I dont have any experience either. But if they were your eggs do be cut would you pick Mike the Brain Surgeon or the Butcher lol...?

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I dont have any experience either. But if they were your eggs do be cut would you pick Mike the Brain Surgeon or the Butcher lol...?

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LOL you can thank Kevin for the nickname!

Jay is pretty famous for being in this for the money. He's a hack with deep pockets.

It's funny to me that no one really knows what those snakes stories were in being shown in the videos posted yet everyone was quick to jump on the hate bandwagon. Someone started the hate and others jumped in. Sad really that one can't keep an open mind about things that typed in a forum. When Jay opened at random any of those plastics were they clean? I believe so.... Could have it been in a temporary cage, again possible so.

I have been to Prehistoric Pets many times as it is the largest place to see many snakes and I've had a personal tour of behind the scenes that lasted over 2 hours with Tim and it is amazing what they have there in quality and quantity. They do know what they are doing in care even though most of us are hobbyists and think they need more space and something different. The 1000's of cages behind the scenes were very clean. They have breed 10's of 1000's of all kinds of reptiles more than most and have a huge investment in rooms where they could stand to lose $500k+ in just one of their rooms. Jay is the kind of person that's more of a doer and not a thinker and yes he does sensationalize things a bit but I know the snakes are cared for.

Ever seen a large breeder's setup and not see rubbermaids for cages? Even Mike's were the same. He cut his eggs 'early' and needed to be especially careful but didn't he say that even he gets curious and would cut them when he is really really dying to know and would risk cutting into the eggs that are on the bottom just to see what's inside. And Mike did cut some blood vessels at the 3:21 mark "just to see what's inside". "It's not real dangerous to do that, if you do that it's not going to be the end of the world" Thanks Mike for showing us what a real breeder does.... same as Prehistoric Pets. And at time 5:00 the snakes are basically going to mutilate that egg and you don't have to nearly as careful. Um, that's when Jay at Prehistoric Pets cut his.

These guys know what the risks are after all these years and know pretty well what will happen good or bad when they do things. Why all the whining? Enjoy what you have.

The issue that started this all is that he has an animal in an enclosure way too small for it. It literally cannot move its body. The tub is clean, yes, but that doesn't make it any bigger. Besides, I don't think I trust their clean tubs for one second. If they have the thousands of animals that you say, how long do his snakes have to sit in their own waste (because the tub is too small to move to the other side) before he or his crew come to clean it up? The video depicting him butchering those eggs showed that this man is seriously lacking some common sense and respect for the animals in his care. I don't care how "professional" someones facility looks, how much money it cost them or how many animals they own; poor husbandry is poor husbandry.

This guy is bold for posting videos of him being loud and abnoxious and treating live animals like used cars and the videos make me quite sad.

I'm willing to bet there are a lot of people who follow in similar types of practices. It seems overall pretty simple to get snakes to make babies, but things like basic biological knowledge or a having a compassionate nature are not a prerequisite. I see snake videos all over YouTube of people handling snakes improperly or housing them in poor conditions.

I do agree that the tub in the first video is way too small and almost definitely isn't a 'cleaning tub.' The dude has thousands of snakes... wouldn't he just walk through with clean tubs and swap the snakes into them? What kind of cleaning system would require a holding tub when you're talking about dealing with thousands of poops?

IMO someone could direct an agency to examine that video and potentially prompt an inspection on their facilities.

Then, when they go to court Kevin McCurley can be the state expert! :)

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Originally Posted by liv

poor husbandry is poor husbandry.

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I mean I am not the most "lovey" and "caring" person when it comes to producing animals for a purpose (money, food, sport, etc) but Jesus have some damn respect for the animals!

I felt bad for the snake they drug out like it was a toy or something, what was the point in yanking it around like that? Just to make a video? :rolleyes:

Thats just bad husbandry, and the eggs! WTF its like he was cutting a watermelon open or something.. and again, I have no problem treating an animal like, well an animal, but man they are friggin babies IN THEIR EGGS STILL and shouldnt be handled and cut out like that IMO.

You get what you put into them, so what if your making this or that, eventually your crappy care of them will come back and bite you.

Have some respect for them and what they are doing for you, you dont have to treat them like "babies" or "kids" but common decency for an animal that is producing something for you or doing something for you is a must IMO.

Very few people nowadays show their production animals respect and care they deserve and its kind of sad, another unfortunate similarity in the bulldog world and the snake world I guess.