Why is everything about race?

Here are our police general orders. If not followed for specific circumstances we risk being held liable, personally and the town.
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And of course, our medical bible. These, if not read word-for-word, literally, we are also held liable.
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I understand what you guys are saying that "just because the 'telephone operator' told him not to approach him doesn't mean he shouldn't have", not only are we required to say things such as that, but there is a method to the madness believe it or not. Had he listened to the dispatcher, he would not be on national news right now and being charged with murder. Could the kid have actually had a gun? Sure, happens all the time, but guess what? The dudes in blue I work with are highly trained, armed, and prepared to deal with such circumstances, not a fat community watch handcranker. :rolleyes: I know adrenaline is a funny thing, I deal with it all the time, and half the time people don't listen anyways, but after the countless legal classes I've taken for my job, we say these things for a reason. If half the people I talked to on a regular basis just breathed, and listened, it would make their lives much easier.

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Originally Posted by LGray23

I understand what you guys are saying that "just because the 'telephone operator' told him not to approach him doesn't mean he shouldn't have", not only are we required to say things such as that, but there is a method to the madness believe it or not. Had he listened to the dispatcher, he would not be on national news right now and being charged with murder. Could the kid have actually had a gun? Sure, happens all the time, but guess what? The dudes in blue I work with are highly trained, armed, and prepared to deal with such circumstances, not a fat community watch handcranker. :rolleyes: I know adrenaline is a funny thing, I deal with it all the time, and half the time people don't listen anyways, but after the countless legal classes I've taken for my job, we say these things for a reason. If half the people I talked to on a regular basis just breathed, and listened, it would make their lives much easier.

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I think the point some are trying to make is that it wasn't a lawful order. He absolutely should have listened to the Dispatcher (who is NOT "Just a phone operator" :rage:)...like you said above...all this could have been avoided for all the reasons you stated. He wasn't trained, experienced, nor mentally prepared for the consequences. But, following him wasn't against the law. Stupid, but not against the law.

Thank you for doing a job that not many are willing or able to do.

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Originally Posted by sho220

I think the point some are trying to make is that it wasn't a lawful order. He absolutely should have listened to the Dispatcher (who is NOT "Just a phone operator" :rage:)...like you said above...all this could have been avoided for all the reasons you stated. He wasn't trained, experienced, nor mentally prepared for the consequences. But, following him wasn't against the law. Stupid, but not against the law.

Thank you for doing a job that not many are willing or able to do.

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Sadly, being stupid isn't illegal yet :rolleyes: But I guess it's job security for me lol.

I have to dig a bit.. but about a year ago a black kid in IL got shot by a white cop and the white cop was fired.. I'm sorry, but if ANYONE pulls a weapon on me and tries to kill me I'm not going to let them.. I'm in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM A RACIST.. I get called it a lot though, but if you've read some of my post you'll understand, j mean I get a measily 900 a month IF I AM LUCKY. And I can't get food stamps.. now my boss gets 1,700 in foodstanps and She works 38.5 hours a week at 10.50 a hour.. yeah...

I will post up some more.info later. I really hope this thread can yield a good dense and some good facts without snowballing...

Like I said, not a racist. :) I just call BS well, when I see BS. Regardless of race or sex.

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Originally Posted by sho220

Sounds like the makings of an episode of "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong"...good luck with all that...

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Have you ever been followed home by a car? Have you ever had a driver of a vehicle park their car and follow you on foot without identifying themselves? Because I guarantee no matter how tough you are it's an unnerving situation.

We do not *know* zimmermann was "attacked". All we know is there was some altercation when he was injured and treyvon was shot. Did zimmermann confront him and instigate a fight? You weren't there, you dont know.

As for all the neighbors saying such great things about the guy, Ted Bundy had a ton of friends too.... You never really know what people are capable of.

The fact is this will never be fully explained to anyone's satisfaction because the media had put their spin on it and people have already chosen sides without all the facts.


Oh and no, I wouldnt leave this forum if you told me to. You aren't anyone even a "phone operator".

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A 911 operator can not be charged for reading a card incorrectly.

You could be charged for telling a drunk to jump off a bridge? MAYBE....MAYBE.

Now would you lose your job? perhaps. You are reading from scripted directions. Your training consists of hearing the situation and choosing the correct information to read back to the caller. Most of this is contained on a multiple choice based computer screen on PA's dispatch system. My neighbor is a dispatcher BTW.

Yep, your direction will always be to flee and let the criminal run. Even rape victims are instructed to be submissive to avoid escalating the situation.

If I lose everything, I am giving up everything i have earned. For many people, that is what makes life worth living. If i give up my health to a would be attacker, I am possibly destroying my chance at making a living/life for myself. To many people these risks are worth dying to protect from happening. So yes, it is super easy for a phone operator to tell me to run away from everything that means something to me while they lose NOTHING.

My neighborhood watches itself. I am nestled among a dispatcher, a firefighter and 2 cops. If I see a stranger in my neighborhood, they are fully aware that I am watching them. If a stranger enters one of the few elderly women's homes on my street, within minutes I guarantee a neighbor will also be over to visit and ensure they are ok. That is the reason these women brag to their friends about why they love to live where they do. I will continue to take care of my own regardless of what a phone operator tells me to do.

Sincerely,

An armed and proud American citizen.

Jbean: Zimmerman maintains "burden of proof" and plenty of evidence physically to support his claims. If the media dropped their unsupported accusations, this would been history long ago.

And if you were a stranger in my neighborhood. I would know where you went/ belonged even if that required you to "take action". Remember, Martin was a stranger in Zimmerman's neighborhood. The average person would feel humbled in strange environment.

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Have you ever been followed home by a car? Have you ever had a driver of a vehicle park their car and follow you on foot without identifying themselves? Because I guarantee no matter how tough you are it's an unnerving situation.

We do not *know* zimmermann was "attacked". All we know is there was some altercation when he was injured and treyvon was shot. Did zimmermann confront him and instigate a fight? You weren't there, you dont know.

As for all the neighbors saying such great things about the guy, Ted Bundy had a ton of friends too.... You never really know what people are capable of.

The fact is this will never be fully explained to anyone's satisfaction because the media had put their spin on it and people have already chosen sides without all the facts.


Oh and no, I wouldnt leave this forum if you told me to. You aren't anyone even a "phone operator".

sent from my EVO

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I thought about explaining how it would be better to remove yourself from the threatening situation, like Martin should have done, and would be alive today if he had, since you have no idea whether that person is armed or what their intentions are, but you're clearly too stupid to help.

And since you have such disdain for Dispatchers (or phone operators as you like to call them) what is your great contribution to society?

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Originally Posted by zeion97

I have to dig a bit.. but about a year ago a black kid in IL got shot by a white cop and the white cop was fired..

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We'd need a LOT more details in order to make a judgment call on that one... but I imagine a thorough investigation was conducted, and they fired him for more than "white on black" crime.

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I'm in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM A RACIST.. I get called it a lot though

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That's weird... I'm a fairly no-nonsense kind of person, and rarely care about being PC, yet I've never ever been called a racist. Wonder why?? Perhaps you need to re-examine your way of thinking, or at least how you word things, if this is something of which you're frequently accused. I mean, could that many people be that far off base? :cool:

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but if you've read some of my post you'll understand, j mean I get a measily 900 a month IF I AM LUCKY. And I can't get food stamps.. now my boss gets 1,700 in foodstanps and She works 38.5 hours a week at 10.50 a hour.. yeah...

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I haven't read your other posts on this, but does that co-worker have children perchance? Even when I was making less than you I didn't qualify for food stamps, since I am single with no children... so that could be your very simple explanation for this "injustice." I HIGHLY doubt anyone is getting food stamps or welfare simply for being black, if that's what you are suggesting.

If you do a little research on food stamp benefits, one would need to have like 12+ children in order to receive $1700/mo... to give you an idea, Octomom recently qualified for just a little more than that, and she has a total of 14 kids! These are federal standards, btw, so your co-worker is either lying, cheating, or has a brood the size of Octomom. Read this: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1269

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Originally Posted by olstyn

Suzuki, you're forgetting the part where the 911 operator told Zimmerman to break off the pursuit and he kept following Martin anyway. On the surface, at least, that sounds like he sought out the conflict that led to the shooting. Of course, none of us know all the facts, so we really should reserve judgment and let the legal system do its job. I agree that it's sad that the media feels the need to choose sides and spin things, rather than simply reporting the facts. If Zimmerman is telling the truth, then yes, it was a "good" shoot, but it also may be that Martin was guilty of walking while being black/wearing a hoodie. Hopefully the truth can be found in the end.

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That's what the mainstream media is reporting. And they are just as culpable in this race baiting. Zimmerman didn't continue pursuit. The dispatcher asked for an address, and since he was on the back side of the buildings where there were no street numbers and he continued to the front of the buildings to get an address, where it's purported that Martin approached him and asked him if he had a problem, and then told him he had one now.

An independent witness confirmed on the night of the shooting that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him, corrobarting his version of the events.

Zimmerman was an active member of his community and was a tutorial and mentor to minority youth in his community.

I don't believe for one second that this tragedy was racially motivated. But Sharpton and Jackson saw it as an opportunity to remain relevant.

Why aren't they speaking out about and holding rallies in Chicago where on any given weekend, dozens of young black youth are murdered within their own communities?

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