Panda Pieds, How to breed for them?

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Originally Posted by snake lab

No because they produce 2 different looking supers. As they are close that would be like saying an ivory and a lucy are the same cause they are all white. If it was the case then the cinny and black would be the same morph and they are not. Now i know people will argue that some super cinnies are jet black. The fact is that outback produced it with a super black pastel therefore thats the ingredients.

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I don't understand your analogy in regards to what I was stating?
I was saying how when combined, a cinny + a black pastel make a super themselves. Not the fact that they each make their own distinctive super, which I agree with you.

Cinny Black pastel = super (with no normals)

You used Ivory and BEL...
But a Lesser/Mojo/Butter + a Yellowbelly doesn't make a super when combined.

A mojave and a butter don't look a like. Both have their own distinct looking supers. They're two distinct morphs that when combined have a compatible super. That's what I was saying about the Black Pastel and Cinny.

With that said, won't a Black Pastel Cinny Pied still be considered a panda?

Ok i understand your point. Let me draw a closer analogy. Lesser and butter. There ya go. I guess we are splitting hairs. My point is that the one and only panda pied was a jet black and solid white animal produced from black pastel stock therefore to say that another morph can produce the same animal would be innacurate. Just because people call a super cinby pied a panda doesnt mean it is one. Thats not what was used to produce it

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Originally Posted by satomi325

With that said, won't a Black Pastel Cinny Pied still be considered a panda?

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Honestly we don't know. It hasn't been done yet (at least not publicly) so we have no way of knowing how it would come out. Would it be like the difference between a Mojave x Mojave BEL and a Lesser x Lesser BEL or would they be completely different?

I tend to agree with Snake Lab that they aren't interchangeable. There is something really fishy about this whole Panda Pied thing, and until more are produced (if any ever are) it is just down to speculation.

The facts that only one has been produced and the one thatbwas produced is a piss poor eater would lead me to think thete is alot we may never know about the morph. However it is such a smokin animal that it will always have people trying.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

However it is such a smokin animal that it will always have people trying.

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I know it is just a personal opinion but I would take a pastel/Killer pied any day over a Panda... don't even get me started on a pastel yellow belly pied (drool)

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Originally Posted by snake lab

No because they produce 2 different looking supers. As they are close that would be like saying an ivory and a lucy are the same cause they are all white. If it was the case then the cinny and black would be the same morph and they are not. Now i know people will argue that some super cinnies are jet black. The fact is that outback produced it with a super black pastel therefore thats the ingredients.

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Not quite sir. YB and any BEL producer together does not make a white snake. Where as Cinny x Black Pastel does. Perhaps comparing the Lesser BEL and Mojo BEL would have been better.

Super cinnamon pied would not be the same. It's a super black pastel pied.

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Originally Posted by that_dc5

Not quite sir. YB and any BEL producer together does not make a white snake. Where as Cinny x Black Pastel does. Perhaps comparing the Lesser BEL and Mojo BEL would have been better.

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Regardless of how ya want to split hairs i think everyone understood the point. Im talking white snake. I havebseen ivories that are whiter then some bels and vice versa. I have worked with enough to make an educated point on the matter.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Regardless of how ya want to split hairs i think everyone understood the point. Im talking white snake. I havebseen ivories that are whiter then some bels and vice versa. I have worked with enough to make an educated point on the matter.

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Don't get offended, I am not testing your intelligence. I was just pointing out that, that statement was incorrect. I agree with you 100% on the situation at hand, although I do feel a Super Cinny Pied and Black Pastel Pied will be very similar. But yes a Panda Pied is a Super Black Pastel Pied.

Im not offended. I apoligize if it sounds like i am. Im not at all. I like a good debate.