To those who are trying to figure out their diet...

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Originally Posted by Clear

No they do not have huge amount of carbs and are a great source for carbs and you answered why. Because you can eat ALL you want without getting fat. Now grains on the other hand, you have to limit your intake, why? Because if you dont you will get fat. Lets put two and two together.

Veggies wont make you fat no matter how many you eat.
Grains will make you fat if you dont limit them. (All grains)

Veggies = Good
Grains = Bad

Content should be considered and the affect it has on your body. Here are 3 simple reasons why you should avoid grains. Lectins, Gluten and Phytates.

You put too much hope in this world. People do not research anything, they do what they are told. They see commercials such as weight watchers, hydroxy cut and so many others and think this stuff is healthy. Its not. Rarely do people do real research on health and diets, besides the before and after pictures of extreme cases when some diets work. Real research would mean weeks of studing how your body works and why you get fat. (I have posted a few video's already to help cut down on the amount of time people would have to study)



People do not follow the food pyramid to a T. People do see that the government wants you to eat more whole grains and more dairy and they think this is healthy and will go out and eat more. So to an extent they do follow the food pyramid. I can not disagree about McDonalds and the other millions of fast food chains that have extremely unhealthy food.

I associate myself with paleo not because I follow its guidelines but because it fits closely to mine. Meats, veggies, some seeds, some fruit. We do our best to avoid grains, legumes, refined sugars, dairy products, and supplements.

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Phytates

Alan makes a good point about phytates:

'"Cereals are the primary sources of copper, manganese, and selenium in most diets and the major source of zinc in many vegetarian diets; flesh floods are the primary source of zinc and secondary source of selenium in omnivorous diets. Despite the apparent lower bioavailability of zinc, copper, manganese, and selenium in vegetarian diets because of the high contents of phytic acid and/or dietary fiber and the low content of flesh foods in the diet, the trace element status of most adult vegetarians appears to be adequate." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8172126

"Although it is clear that vegetarians have lower iron stores, adverse health effects from lower iron and zinc absorption have not been demonstrated with varied vegetarian diets in developed countries, and moderately lower iron stores have even been hypothesized to reduce the risk of chronic diseases." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12936958

"In conclusion, wheat products, except for wheat bran, do not have a negative impact on calcium absorption from the diet." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1941185

"In conclusion, the absorption of zinc was high and not affected by addition of oat bran." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10702590

"Addition of 16 g bran/d to the diet does not seem to impair the mineral absorption from the small intestine except that of Zn." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6288067

"It is concluded that wheat bran and, in particular, the cell-wall polysaccharides of bran, are unlikely to exert a significant effect on mineral absorption in man, in amounts customarily eaten, independently of the effect of phytate present in the bran." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6315050

"Plasma lipids, serum magnesium, ghrelin, and adiponectin concentrations, as well as substrate utilization and body weight, were not significantly changed by fiber intake." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16567814'


Gluten and Gut Permeability

Anyway, let's see human research on the effect of grains on gut permeability:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/9/23/abstract

"This study shows that the two gluten-associated disorders, CD and GS, are different clinical entities, and it contributes to the characterization of GS as a condition associated with prevalent gluten-induced activation of innate, rather than adaptive, immune responses in the absence of detectable changes in mucosal barrier function."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21224837

'"Non-celiac gluten intolerance" may exist, but no clues to the mechanism were elucidated.'


Here are some blogs posts by my favorite () blog poster, Chris Masterjohn:

http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.c...t-ex-vivo.html
http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.c...mises-and.html
http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.c...onulin-is.html
http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.c...y-shorter.html

Gluten is absorbed by healthy people.

Lectins

I've been researching lectins for the past four months -- they really are a fascinating subject. Anyway, while the research is scarce, I did find a lot of interesting material on this subject.

Anyway, the evidence that lectins are bad for you is very weak, and some studies actually show benefit to some lectins, especially in cancer prevention -- even WGA, the most feared of lectins, might have health benefits:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10468292
http://www.springerlink.com/content/fv2kp863u1177q5l/
https://www.novapublishers.com/catal...ducts_id=18877
http://abstracts.aspb.org/pb2011/public/P18/P18005.html
http://www.jstor.org/pss/20172275

This was taken from here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...luten+Phytates.

Great post and I am glad that you have researched all this. What it shows is two different people can read different studies and come out with different opinions. With my profession I have to think negative about almost all blogs and forums and rarely keep up with them. (I even have problems with marks daily apple) I also never take anything the government posts seriously. We all know they manipulate people more than the free market. :salute:

:gj:

It was a bit wordy and most of it was over my head. Maybe I need to start with lighter reading first. :confused:

It is very easy for this stuff to go over someones head. Thats why I said it takes weeks to study, not just hours! You can read a scientific study and be like whoa new words and spend hours learning what they mean.