Didnt know that about Bumble Bee's

part of a write up i did on the spider gene. full thing is here

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I don't believe the wobble is leaving there is too much evidence it is linked directly to the gene, but I think it can be reduced. I see stress levels might play a factor in the amount of wobble the Spider's show. As stated before, every snake is different, but I have personally seen how changing homes can bring a minimal wobble, to horrible wobble, to minimal wobble again. Many people report only seeing signs of it while only feeding, or only while being handled. I feel this strengthens the idea that stress or excitement can elevate the condition.

I know this may be a touchy subject for some Spider owners whose snakes exhibit a particularly bad wobble. They may feel like i'm saying their not taking care of their snake correctly. I will say if your snake is eating and living a healthy life, you are doing a great job, there may be Spider that will always have the bad wobble, but also it may need extra accommodations beyond the normal to feel less stressed (ex. extra hide, more foliage, less direct light, ect). Yes, I am suggesting the 2 hide, water bowl, cookie cutter setup may not be right for every ball python in general and the Spider just shows it. I have talked this over with many people and online and I think it all comes to the same conclusion that it's near impossible to test this theory. Some people have stories that strengthen the theory and some have stories that 100% conflict with it. So take it as you wish. If you have any input on this feel free to email me.

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I have 2 spider balls and a jag carpet (the jags look like they have the same issue) and really it's nothing to worry about. I would never even think of getting rid of them based on the wobble, Heck one of my spiders has never shown it one bit the entire time we had her. eating, breeding, laying eggs, flip her over, dog sniffing her.... never shows it. The others do though.

If I was buying one I would get the butter just because of the colorin between th 2. Forgetting about the wobble just based off the 2 snakes.

I raised a spider male that had no noticeable wobble until he hit puberty(8-9 months old), now he is 3 years old and shakes his head violently and corkscrews worse than 90% of the spiders I've seen.
The seller could be 100% honest with you and you still might end up with a weeble...

Yeah, i just thought it effected them. Like i said, im sticking to the Bumble Bee, already got it on hold, Ive been waiting to get one for two years. This def wont stop me. I just needed more insight.:banana:

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I raised a spider male that had no noticeable wobble until he hit puberty(8-9 months old), now he is 3 years old and shakes his head violently and corkscrews worse than 90% of the spiders I've seen.
The seller could be 100% honest with you and you still might end up with a weeble...

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And, im fully aware of that, personally, if it doesnt hurt them, it just makes them that much more unique and fascinating. I dont mind the wobble.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

if the guy is claiming the snake doesn't wobble AT ALL, then it means A) he's playing with words by telling you that it doesn't wobble... what he means is he hasn't observed it express the wobble

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And I'm not calling them a liar, I phrased myself appropriately to convey that the consensus is that every spider carries the ability to wobble. There is no "no wobble line." That's all.