Ringer?

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

but are ringers really useful in any way?
thanks
spooky

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They can be...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...Champagnes.jpg

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

They can be...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...Champagnes.jpg

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arent these multi morph pieds?
thanks
spooky

No, they are extreme ringers...

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Originally Posted by LGray23

No, they are extreme ringers...

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thanks for the link! id read it before, but dident put 2&2 together.
so WOW,, those are ringers:O.
but is it genetic? or are ringers in general genetic? or do people just mess with ringers in hopes of coming up with some of these gems;)?
spooky

im all confused now.... so what is the definition of a pied? and how do these 2 snakes not fit that definition?
can the pied gene not show up anywhere,,, like a spontaneous mutation?
thanks
spooky

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

thanks for the link! id read it before, but dident put 2&2 together.
so WOW,, those are ringers:O.
but is it genetic? or are ringers in general genetic? or do people just mess with ringers in hopes of coming up with some of these gems;)?
spooky

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The fire ringer male has been bred before and I never produced any ringers. This was the first breeding for the champagne mom. The only ringers in the clutch were champagnes and these two were the most extreme. At this point, I'm not sure if it's all due to mom or did the fire male help. I'll need to do more breedings to figure it out. Plus, all four ringer champs are females so I'm hoping for a male this year. I don't think most ringers are genetic but they are pretty neat to look at, and I'm glad I picked up these two examples.

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

im all confused now.... so what is the definition of a pied? and how do these 2 snakes not fit that definition?
can the pied gene not show up anywhere,,, like a spontaneous mutation?
thanks
spooky

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You can say these are "pied" by definition; however, they do not contain the recessive gene that we refer to as pied. Sure any gene can pop up spontaneously even though the odds are probably extremely high. Some have suggested that it's possible that both parents were unknowingly het pied. That's a longshot as well as the snakes were from seperate breeders and neither has produced any more like the parents. Also, I've seen a picture of a champagne pied and it looked like the spied, an all white snake with the cap of color on it's head.

thanks for the reply! these are defenataly interesting, and i hope that you get good results in further breeding them.
spooky

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

thanks for the reply! these are defenataly interesting, and i hope that you get good results in further breeding them.
spooky

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Thanks!! I think messing with unusual snakes is one of the things that makes this hobby so much fun. Some may work out and others won't but either way you'll have neat snakes to look at.

Took me a while, but here are the photos of our het pied girl I promised, with the orange bit around the ringer :)

http://www.soundexotics.com/ringer1.jpg

http://www.soundexotics.com/ringer2.jpg

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

the pic i just posted has a belly like that.
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/w.../WP_000211.jpg
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/w.../WP_000215.jpg
but are ringers really useful in any way?
thanks
spooky

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i'd say definitly a ringer, it has that orange tint mixed with the random odd pattern, very subtle, but its for sure there, incase you were still wondering