The ball python complex

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Originally Posted by kevinb

Thanks for clearing that up. I just feel they should be on a complex of there own as no lucy comes from them?


Ooooooopppsss, nevermind figured it out myself. But let me relay it for sure. Phantom/mystic are in the bel complex because mojave is and when paired with phantom/mystics they create the potions and passions which when bred to anything will throw off one gene or the other no matter what....no normals. Correct?
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When bred to a lesser, phantoms at least will produce a BEL. There's no reason a mystic wouldn't, as well, or that it has to be a lesser. Butter would probably do the same. (Although when put to a Russo, they create an opal diamond, which is all kinds of awesome.)

I believe Vanilla needs to be added to the Black Eyed Leucy complex. And I guess "Het Daddy" should be in the BEL complex. As I understand it, a Platty Daddy x Normal pairing gives you Lessers and "het Daddys" (WOBP calculator does this one wrong).

Candy should be in the Albino complex too, if we are considering it as a separate morph from Toffee.

so summary it's:

Blue Eyed Leucistic Complex	Super Stripe Complex	8 Ball Complex	Black Eyed Leucistic Complex	Albino Complex	Yellowbelly complex	Piebald Complex (?)
Butter Daddy Gene Lesser Platinum Mocha Mojave Mystic Phantom Russo Het Leucistic Special Bamboo	Gravel Orange Belly Spark Spector Yellow Belly	Black Pastel Cinnamon Het Red Axanthic	Disco Fire Sulfur Vanilla	Albino Candy Toffee	-Spark (het. puma) -Het. Highway	Leopard Piebald

It's correct?

Why are Leopards included in the "Pied Complex"? I was under the impression that the theory that all Leopards were het Pied had been disproven. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that somewhere. I will have to try and find it.

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Originally Posted by FireStorm

Why are Leopards included in the "Pied Complex"? I was under the impression that the theory that all Leopards were het Pied had been disproven. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that somewhere. I will have to try and find it.

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i find this information in this topic - it's weird for me too on world of ball pythons genetic wizard this "x" don't give any nice new snake.

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Originally Posted by Royal Hijinx

There is Asphalt (het Freeway) to add to the YB complex.

Also seems the Blackhead and Spider may well be allelic. But I reckon more needs to be done to souse that out.

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Updated and has anymore info came from the possible BH spider theory? I thought the theory was only based off 1 or 2 clutches and I haven't heard anything since.

Guys this thread is is over two years old. you can click on the link http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php but the updated list would be:

Blue Eyed Leucistic Complex
Butter
Daddy Gene
Lesser Platinum
Mocha
Mojave
Mystic
Phantom
Russo Het Leucistic
Special
Bamboo

Super Stripe Complex
Gravel
Orange Belly
Spark
Spector
Asphalt
Yellow Belly

8 Ball Complex
Black Pastel
Cinnamon
Het Red Axanthic

Black Eyed Leucistic Complex
Disco
Fire
Sulfur
Vanilla

Albino Complex
Albino
Candy
Toffee

to anyone reading this in the future, this post is from 2014