Breeding Bumble Bee To Bumble Bee

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

well, a killer bee is super pastel spider axanthic.

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Theres no Axanthic gene in a Killer bee.

Ok, stupid question

In my reading, I thought that a spider x spider breeding was considered like a fatal pairing or something. Female would throw all slugs or embryo would not fully develop and die in the egg.

Wouldn't this be the same with a bee x bee pairing since spider is in the mix or does the pastel gene offset that?

I could be totally wrong here. Learning something new everyday in this hobby.

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Originally Posted by village idiot

Theres no Axanthic gene in a Killer bee.

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I think she meant to type Axanthic Killer Bee.

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Originally Posted by joebad976

Ok, stupid question

In my reading, I thought that a spider x spider breeding was considered like a fatal pairing or something. Female would throw all slugs or embryo would not fully develop and die in the egg.

Wouldn't this be the same with a bee x bee pairing since spider is in the mix or does the pastel gene offset that?

I could be totally wrong here. Learning something new everyday in this hobby.

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I dont think its a "fatal" pairing but not recommended because of something to do with "wobble" etc and its a dominant morph.

From my understanding it came from when the spider was in question as to if it was a dom or co dom. It was thought that the super form was fatal. I know people try to avoid spider to spider out of fear of increasing the neurological tic that they have

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Originally Posted by village idiot

Theres no Axanthic gene in a Killer bee.

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I know, I was referring to the previous question, in which they were referring to axanthic killer bees. Figured people that were reading along would catch that.

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

From my understanding it came from when the spider was in question as to if it was a dom or co dom. It was thought that the super form was fatal. I know people try to avoid spider to spider out of fear of increasing the neurological tic that they have

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Spider is dominant, and the homozygous form being fatal is a theory. No one is for sure.

GRRR ok,... literally could not sleep its 1am and I need to be up for work by 6am If i breed a Killer Bee to Axanthic the only outcome is 50% Pastel het Axanthic and 50% Bumble Bee het Axanthic.... which from what I can find is the best chance of getting an Axanthic Killer Bee (still only 3.1%) does anyone know a rough ball park estimate of how much I would have to spend on hatchling Killer Bee and hatchling Axanthic I obv. need a 1.1 combination as theres no way I can afford more than one of each if I can even afford that.


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Originally Posted by BPNoobie

GRRR ok,... literally could not sleep its 1am and I need to be up for work by 6am If i breed a Killer Bee to Axanthic the only outcome is 50% Pastel het Axanthic and 50% Bumble Bee het Axanthic.... which from what I can find is the best chance of getting an Axanthic Killer Bee (still only 3.1%) does anyone know a rough ball park estimate of how much I would have to spend on hatchling Killer Bee and hatchling Axanthic I obv. need a 1.1 combination as theres no way I can afford more than one of each if I can even afford that.

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If you bred a Killerbee to Axanthic all babies will be 100% het Axanthic.

A Killer Bee male is around $850-$1,000 and female Axanthics are around $350-$450.

You could save some money by going with a regular bee and an axanthic. The male bees are about 300 right now I believe.

If you go with a bee instead of a killer bee, you will have potential normals, pastels, spiders, and bees all 100% het axanthic.
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I say to do this because if you get a killer bee and breed it to the axanthic, you will get, as you said, pastel het ax and bee het ax. The biggest difference here is that all the babies will at least be pastel het ax, and no normals will come out of it, but you're playing with the odd gods here and I think it's a better move.


After that, you can breed your male bee het ax that you hopefully produce back to the axanthic female and you will hopefully produce the axanthic bee.
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To produce the killer, you would have to raise up a pastel het ax baby and risk the odds to a bee het ax, or get a pastel axanthic initially instead of an axanthic.
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Which brings me back around to my initial recommendation of getting a pastel axanthic, and then get a male bee. Because then you could produce and breed your hopeful bee het ax male back to the pastel axanthic and get your hopeful axanthic killer bee.
I know the pastel axanthics are a bit pricey though.


Producing a recessive based morph that also includes the super form of a codominant morph and another dominant morph is not so easy, takes time, patience, and understanding of the genetics. I suggest you save up for the snakes you need, which you won't have to do much more of if you have 1.1K to spend after you get your racks. I think the pastel axanthics run about that much, maybe a little more, and then you can easily get a bee for about $300. Just save a little longer and you'll be well on your way, and much faster.

It would be a much better investment than buying a killer bee and an axanthic, as the killer bee x axanthic breeding will only produce bees het axanthic and pastel het axanthic, and then when you breed it back to the axanthic, you have ZERO chance at the killer bee. The female and male must both have the pastel gene, and both must have one copy of the axanthic gene (whether they are heterozygous or they are homozygous).

And at the beginning of this post, I recommended buying a bee and an axanthic (NOT a killer bee and an axanthic) for the same reason. Even if you went this cheaper route, it will take you just as long most likely to get to the same point as above, but it will be much, much more affordable.


Hope this helps/makes sense.

Ooh Snap! There is some super spider talk in this thread. I knew it was gonna happen and just to be a troll for a second I was going to mention the genetics wizard didnt list the super spider. Why not?? LOL.