Forget about rescuing the pythons in the Everglades, let's just kill them all -.-

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Originally Posted by Raptor

^this. very few people will want a full grown, wild burm. The ones that'd mainly have a chance would be the youngsters.

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Exactly. Correct me if i'm wrong but most of the ones they are finding are not babies. Personally I plan to set up near the everglades when I am established and try to save as many as I can. While I don't even remotely believe that I can save all of them I love burmese pythons and every one counts to me. I think there would be major problems with the adults but babies may do well in captivity.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

It boils down to this: there's only a limited amount of zoos and breeders willing to take the wild burms. When those facilities say "no more" what then? You're still going to have burms left over. Can't ship them back to the native country since they could easily be carrying illnesses/parasites that the native burms don't have a resistance to.

The most humane and cost effective thing to do is euthanize them.

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I agree 100%

Although I certainly don't LIKE it - I have no problem with the ethical dispatching of invasives. There just aren't enough places to store these animals and we need them out of the everglades.

What really bothers me is around the country where almost all snakes are immediately killed by the ignorant. I can't tell you how many times a year I hear about someone killing a "water moccasin" around here. They dont live in the area and its always a water snake.

The burms i can handle...

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Originally Posted by evan385

Exactly. Correct me if i'm wrong but most of the ones they are finding are not babies. Personally I plan to set up near the everglades when I am established and try to save as many as I can. While I don't even remotely believe that I can save all of them I love burmese pythons and every one counts to me. I think there would be major problems with the adults but babies may do well in captivity.

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many years ago when i got in to reptiles most if not all burms were W.C. and let me tell you in my experience it didn't matter if they were babies or adults they all feed just fine. btu they all behaved just like w.c afrocks, retics, what have you. they were nasty. the babies did settle down over time of course but i never seen one get nearly as docile as c.b burms.

I understand the comparison to the hogs in Texas.
However, even that I do not support since I am not an advocate of hunting.

I just read that there is estimated at least around 150,000 pythons in the everglades. And recent data shows that only about 330 are taken a year. If they were really worried about the endangerment of other species you would think they would be getting thousands a year...
Is there just not much effort to get the pythons?

I havent had a change of heart completely and although I think it is wrong I do understand where others are coming from. But I just don't understand if this is such a problem why have only 300 and some odd been removed last year?

Ever go field herping? Or lose a snake in your own home? Snakes are hard to find! I go often and there are just times when you don't find anything--especially in a place as large and hard to travel in as the everglades.

I've heard varying statistics on how many there are...some people say there are tons, some people say there are very few. Until they are gone, it's really hard to say for certain.

It's hard to even give away a large, wild and angry burm. Especially since healthy CBB morph babies are getting to be so cheap. Burms are big, too. It's hard to have a collection of burms. Maybe if they were something like ball pythons that more people could successfully house dozens of, it would be easier to get them homes. I know some people out there who try their hardest to give them homes, but.. sometimes you just can't find homes.

And at least the ones who are killed go for a good purpose--to study the problem and see how bad it is. They can see if endangered or pet animals were eaten, and prove that no, a burm doesn't eat thousands and thousands of animals in a month. So it helps stop the insane amount of bad media, hopefully. Back up the truth with facts. It's sad how we have to get those facts, but if it ends up saving more of them, I think it's worth it.

I know if I was to get a wild caught animal I'd rather get it from a place where it was invasive rather than taken from their natural home. But there are only so many people who can even house a burm. If you can and want to save them, maybe you can find a way to contact people collecting them and tell them you want to save and help rehome the adults.

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Originally Posted by Generationshell

I understand the comparison to the hogs in Texas.
However, even that I do not support since I am not an advocate of hunting.

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Curious - are you a vegetarian?

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Originally Posted by purplemuffin

Ever go field herping? Or lose a snake in your own home? Snakes are hard to find! I go often and there are just times when you don't find anything--especially in a place as large and hard to travel in as the everglades.

I've heard varying statistics on how many there are...some people say there are tons, some people say there are very few. Until they are gone, it's really hard to say for certain.

It's hard to even give away a large, wild and angry burm. Especially since healthy CBB morph babies are getting to be so cheap. Burms are big, too. It's hard to have a collection of burms. Maybe if they were something like ball pythons that more people could successfully house dozens of, it would be easier to get them homes. I know some people out there who try their hardest to give them homes, but.. sometimes you just can't find homes.

And at least the ones who are killed go for a good purpose--to study the problem and see how bad it is. They can see if endangered or pet animals were eaten, and prove that no, a burm doesn't eat thousands and thousands of animals in a month. So it helps stop the insane amount of bad media, hopefully. Back up the truth with facts. It's sad how we have to get those facts, but if it ends up saving more of them, I think it's worth it.

I know if I was to get a wild caught animal I'd rather get it from a place where it was invasive rather than taken from their natural home. But there are only so many people who can even house a burm. If you can and want to save them, maybe you can find a way to contact people collecting them and tell them you want to save and help rehome the adults.

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That would be cool if it was 150,000 ball pythons in the everglades instead of burmese pythons. I mean it would still be bad but not nearly and they don't grow as fast so there would be less of them and they would impact the environment far less than burmese pythons. They wouldn't be eating anything bigger than say a large squirrel or a small rabbit at the most so far less impact on the species in the everglades.

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Originally Posted by Generationshell

I understand the comparison to the hogs in Texas.
However, even that I do not support since I am not an advocate of hunting.

I just read that there is estimated at least around 150,000 pythons in the everglades. And recent data shows that only about 330 are taken a year. If they were really worried about the endangerment of other species you would think they would be getting thousands a year...
Is there just not much effort to get the pythons?

I havent had a change of heart completely and although I think it is wrong I do understand where others are coming from. But I just don't understand if this is such a problem why have only 300 and some odd been removed last year?

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Sadly hunting is something that is necessary. Man kind has done a real number on the environment. We shrink natural habitat, kill off predatory animals and introduce non-native species, some on purpose others not. With out predatory animals we get over run with other species and if the non-native species don't have anything to keep their population in control then they start to cause major problems.

Killing the Burmese pythons is the best that we can do. As others have stated, no one is going to want these as pets and we can't return them to Asian. Snakes are not easy to find in the wild and there really is no way of knowing how many are out there. I'm sure if it wasn't for how much people enjoy watching shows like The Python Hunters there would be even less of an effort to remove them.

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Originally Posted by Generationshell

I understand the comparison to the hogs in Texas.
However, even that I do not support since I am not an advocate of hunting.

I just read that there is estimated at least around 150,000 pythons in the everglades. And recent data shows that only about 330 are taken a year. If they were really worried about the endangerment of other species you would think they would be getting thousands a year...
Is there just not much effort to get the pythons?

I havent had a change of heart completely and although I think it is wrong I do understand where others are coming from. But I just don't understand if this is such a problem why have only 300 and some odd been removed last year?

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the hogs are doing millions of dollars in damage , killing pets and other animals.... theyre not just killing these animals and dumping them a lot of the time theyre taking them to food banks to be processed and the meat is being used to feed hungry families!!!.... its all very well saying save every wild Burm but once the zoos, rescues etc can't take in any more what happens when a responsible pet snake owner realises theyre out of their depth with a 10 foot burm? They try and take it to a zoo or rescue ... if that zoo or rescue is full of wild caught animals and they think theyre out of options they may just release it into the wild and the problem is turned full circle again..... Down there theyre an invasive species same as the cane toad and in my opinion the only possible solution is eradication :(